> doing here). As such, the ability to assign or not that port range should be
> left to each SP and not excluded by default.

+1. 

Cheers,
Rajiv


> -----Original Message-----
> From: softwires-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of mohamed.boucad...@orange.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:54 AM
> To: sarik...@ieee.org
> Cc: Softwires-wg
> Subject: Re: [Softwires] RE : Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-
> softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)
> 
> Hi Behcet,
> 
> It is part of the service provider business to offer services which rely on
> the 0-1023 range even in a shared address environment (e.g., host an FTP
> server, etc.). Because statically not all subscribers use these features, the
> whole 0-1023 range may be assigned only to few subscribers (whether this is
> on-demand or during the service subscription, is out of scope of what we are
> doing here). As such, the ability to assign or not that port range should be
> left to each SP and not excluded by default.
> 
> We analyzed two types of algorithms in draft-bsd:
> * algorithms which exclude by construction that range.
> * algorithms which leave excluding that range to the SP: i.e., the algorithm
> allows to generate a port range including the 0-1023 but the SP may decide to
> not assign it to any requesting user. This should be part of the SP policies.
> 
> Cheers,
> Med
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> De : Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2...@gmail.com]
> Envoyé : mardi 20 septembre 2011 08:36
> À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP
> Cc : Softwires-wg
> Objet : Re: RE : [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms (draft-bsd-
> softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)
> 
> 
> Hi Med,
>   I thought excluding well known ports is good idea because all nodes need it.
> Below you seem to agree that sharing them may be useless.
> 
> Why is it service provider issue? It seems like address sharing changes the
> basic characteristic of the port number space :-).
> Regards,
> 
> Behcet
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:38 AM, <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>       Hi Behcet,
> 
>       Excluding 0-4095 range is not justified in those documents. Excluding by
> default this range may be considered by some service providers as waste of
> ports.
> 
>       Excluding 0-1023 range may be understood by "port utilisation fairness"
> but still be considered as an inefficiency if it is excluded by the algorithm
> and not let to the taste of service providers to assign or not that range.
> 
>       Sharing the 0-1023 between several users may be useless (e.g. is valid
> scenario to assign port 80 without port 443?).
> 
> 
>       Cheers,
>       Med
> 
> 
>       -----Message d'origine-----
> 
>       De : Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:behcetsarik...@yahoo.com]
>       Envoyé : vendredi 16 septembre 2011 17:02
> 
>       À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP
> 
>       Cc : Softwires-wg
>       Objet : Re: RE : [Softwires] Analysis of Port Indexing Algorithms
> (draft-bsd-softwire-stateless-port-index-analysis)
> 
>       Hi Med,
> 
>       Another question:
>       On page 19, you have:
>       The limit of 0-4095 ports appears rather arbitrary and represents a
>          likely waste of ports, if not more that an operator may be interested
>          in utilizing.
> 
> 
> 
>       Why? Shouldn't they be excluded?
> 
>       Regards,
> 
>       Behcet
> 
> 
> 

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