On 2012/04/07, at 4:01, Jan Zorz @ go6.si wrote:

> On 4/6/12 6:34 PM, Rémi Després wrote:
>> Yet, both MAP-T+E and 4rd-U on experimental track is the less
>> criticizable approach at this point, and permits "market-based
>> decision".
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Strongly disagree. In this case stateless A+P (E,T or U) gets abandoned by 
> vendors and CGN wins. Ask the vendors and please stop presuming.
> 
> Huawey is the only one who stated until now that they are willing to 
> experiment with 4rd-U. Others are waiting for decision and standard, 
> regardless if their employees are co-authors of E,T or U.
> 
> Repeating myself: A+P "standardization" process lasted for 2,5 years and was 
> unnecessary (politically) pushed away and blocked for at least 1 year. Then, 
> when stateless flavors of A+P started to emerge additional delay was 
> introduced with request to write motivation document. Ok, was not happy, but 
> was not complaining too publicly and too loud. Now, when we have an option to 
> make a decision and we have mature and proven with running code solutions, 
> effort is dropped and/or watered down with experimental track, so vendors are 
> equally confused what to do.
> 
> Come on... we need to lower the noise level and make a decision.
> 
> Cheers, Jan

+1

shara, aplusp, now we're at stateless. this is final.
--satoru
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