On Saturday 01 May 2004 13:57, jdow wrote:
> From: "John Andersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > On Friday 30 April 2004 15:36, jdow wrote:
> > > Dan, you are in an industry that is dominated by people who
> > > harvest
>
> optout
>
> > > as a means of obtaining new addresses to spam. Do you seriously
> > > wonder
>
> that
>
> > > people would ignore opt-out and merely blackball you?
> >
> > Dan said: Speaking as an operator of several double-opt-in mailing
> > lists
> >
> > Double opt in is different than Opt out.
> >
> > Double Opt In is what you had to do to subscribe to THIS list.
>
> John, *I* am aware of the difference. "Mundanes" tend to lump all
> bulk mailers and remailers into the same ball,

With grease and barnyard material added.  Its the right ball for all 
bulk mailers.

> particularly if they 
> have forgotten how to get off a list that they have forgotten
> subscribing to. (I've seen a person who signed his email as an
> administrator on a network at MIT do this one.) Many will toss the
> name of the double opt in or confirmed opt in list at SpamCop as
> their way of getting off, forgetting that SpamCop will remove all
> trace of their ID from the message.
>
> This is why I generically do not like BLs as a solution. They seem to
> try to hammer nails with a shotgun. No matter how you use the shotgun
> to hammer that nail it's not an acceptable solution.
I beg to disagree if its a 12 guage nail it will work fine.

Hoyt

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