On Tuesday, June 29, 2004, 7:53:17 PM, Bob Apthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:32:52 -0700 Jeff Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> On Tuesday, June 29, 2004, 3:19:50 PM, Jonathan Nichols wrote:
>> > Especially since they've gone *way* beyond blocking mail servers - they
>> > will drop an entire /24 into their list because an IP in that block was 
>> > hosting *images* that were used in a spam. Not even intentionally. (Not 
>> > one single piece of mail came out of this block)  That's just 
>> > ridiculous, IMHO. There's "collateral damage" and then there's just 
>> > plain silliness.
>> 
>> Agreed.  That's absurd.

> I don't find SPEWS gradually expansive listings to be absurd; rather, I
> find taking money from people to actively disrupt and destroy the very
> network that provides your livelihood to be absurd.

It's not the expanding I object to; it's listing innocent sites
that spammers happen to link images from, then blocking those
innocent sites.

> PS: I really do appreciate all the work that Jeff & Co. have put into
> SURBL and SA and I'd rather see people spend their time devising more
> effective and innovative ways of stopping spam rather than complaining
> about organizations with identical missions but different tactics.
> Remember who the real enemy is.

Thanks.  I never said SPEWS is the enemy, but I do think some
of their policies are relatively misguided.  Basically they
hurt their own usefulness by polluting their data with false
positives.

Jeff C.
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Jeff Chan
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