On Thu, 23 May 2002 23:50:35 +0200, Alfredo Gómez Grande wrote:

>Ok, How do a spammer get your email address?

How does a thief get your home address?

>Well, he goes to a PUBLIC source like THE INTERNET and GET IT.

Well, he goes to a PUBLIC source like THE TELEPHONE DIRECTORY, and
GETS IT.  Or maybe, he just rides through your neighborhood, which is
publicly accessible.

>If you make it PUBLIC, you are subjected to the rules of being PUBLIC,
>aren't you?

If you let your home address be public, then anything that happens
because of that is your own fault, right?  If you built your house
where a thief can find it, then it's your fault for not hiding it well
enough.

>I repeat: If you are an individual, it's the website responsability to make
>your email address private. To do so, if you want to receive publicity from
>that forum, your email address doesn't have to appear listed and the sender
>must do it via a CGI program to conceal your address.

I repeat: If you are an individual, you have the responsibility to
make your home address private.

>Claim for your Right for Privacy and if they don't give it to you, don't
>leave your address.

Whether or not my home address is private does not give a thief the
right to invade it.  Even if it is published in the local newspaper, a
thief does not automatically get some sort of right to come onto my
property to steal or deface it.  Same for my email account.

>And about your comments: Anybody is going to scrawl your house with
>graffiti. You can defend your property, even with weapons (only US).

Damned right.  And yes, I'm in the US, in Texas, and yes, I am armed.
Anyone I catch defacing my property will not only spend some time in
jail (if he is lucky), but will also be forced to pay for the damage.
That is what needs to happen to spammers.

> But we
>are talking about mailboxes so let's don't go beyond the limits of the
>Reality.

I'm drawing a very real comparison.  Spam *is* like being forced to
pay for somebody to scribble graffiti on your home.  My email box is
MY property, I pay for it.

I will also add this:  I get spam on accounts that I HAVE NEVER USED
IN ANY WAY -- NEVER SENT A MESSAGE FROM, OR EVER TOLD ANYONE ABOUT,
because spammers simply guessed at the account name, or got it using
some other technique.

The cure for spam is to make the spammer pay for his own spam.  Unlike
junk (paper) mail, spam is a drain on the system (4th-class commercial
mail actually subsidizes 1st-class private mail, but spam adds to the
cost of everyone else's internet usage).  

Spammers are thieves and liars, and should be treated as such.

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