Kudos to Dave, Dave and Danny.  I contained myself while sifting through the
midnight flurry of e-mail from the wee hours of the morning.  Not that
SPORRS is a forum for a prolonged series of notes on this topic, suffice it
to say if we are 'serious' we need to be responsible.  I can't believe that
any of us have not wrongfullly tresspassing if we have actively shooting in
the past twelve months (ever hear about the 'fever of the chase').  I wonder
if one of the criteria that UP, BNSF, and KCS use when selecting their
calendar photos is whether the photographer did NOT trespass to get the
shot?  Similar debates and editorials have ensued from editorials in Trains
and RailNews in the past few years.

BTW, I am another one of the seven with Ken.

Rich Wallace


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Saturday, February 14, 1998 8:50 AM
Subject: SPORRS: My Thoughts on Railfan Behavior


Hey Everybody,

My thoughts on fanatical railfans and their tactics may not be in line with
everybody's opinion, but here's my two cent's worth.

First and foremost, I won't do anything that will endanger me or anyone with
me.  Safety is my top priority.  If it isn't safe, I don't do it.  Any
injury,
short of sore muscles or scratches, isn't worth the most impressive
photograph.  This is a hobby for me, not a livelyhood.

I won't enter railroad property without permission.  I even try to stay off
of
the railroad's right of way when photographing trains out on the road.  I've
been turned down a few times when I've asked for permission, but only
because
I didn't have the proper safety gear, and none was available at the time for
me to use.  In some cases, I think railfans trespass because they're afraid
to
ask for permission, or they're afraid of being turned down and the shot they
want is just too important.

I display a professional attitude and demeanor at all times.   If I get into
a
situation where a railroad employee or official unleashes some verbal abuse
or
displays some ego-driven nonsense, I don't respond in a like manner.  I
won't
allow myself to degenerate to their level.  If I am approached by an angry
employee or official, I apologize for causing problems (wheather I did or
not)
and make a swift, graceful exit.  Many times this de-fuses the situation and
restores some sense of calm to a tense situation.  Once in a while you run
into an employee who just doesn't like anybody, and you just have to walk
away
and realize that some people are beyond help.

Although the railroad employees in my area are pretty laid back, I still
watch
my step.  I maintain my distance when photographing trains at speed, since
trainmen get very nervous when they see someone near the track, especially
when a camera is present.

If I get a chance to talk to a train crew out on the road, I offer them a
photograph of "their" train at no charge.  I even offer to help the crews if
they encounter a problem on the road.  Yes, it costs me a few dollars and
some
of my time, but this practice has paid for itself many times over.  I can't
tell you how many times, while out chasing and photographing trains in the
middle of the summer (which is brutal down south), that the crew has thrown
off a bottle of ice cold bottled water to me as they passed, complete with
important line-up information tied to the bottle.  As for some comments on
NS,
maybe it's just the area I'm from, but most NS employees have been some of
the
nicest I've encountered.  One afternoon, a NS signal maintainer encountered
us
in a remote area waiting for NS #219.  He politely asked us if we needed
help,
and we told him that we were just taking some photos of NS trains,
particularly #219.   He said, "Let me see where he is for you", and promptly
called the NS Diapatcher via his cell phone.  Much to our surprise, he
provided the location of #219, along with a line up for the next several
hours, complete with lead unit numbers.  We thanked him immensely and his
only
comment as he departed was "You guys be careful.  We run sort of fast
through
here".

I've tried to do things to let these employees know that I appreciate them
and
their jobs.  I believe in giving something back to the employees that make
my
hobby possible and enjoyable.  I try to display a sense of respect for them,
and, hopefully, they'll have a bit of respect for me.

I hope I won't need too much water to put out the flames from this one.

Best Regards,

Danny

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