Roland, this is the first I have heard of this one.
Thanks,
Greg

Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
1160 McKenzie Road
Cantonment, FL 32533
850-937-1850
Fax: 850-937-1852


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: hydraulic elevators

The shunt trip hoopla is not required for the sprinkler in the pit.

Roland

On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:57 AM, Greg McGahan wrote:

> George,
>
> The AHJ's are the problem!! They say "we want what code says" but  
> they are
> allowing other contractors to get away with it because the AHJ's do  
> not know
> what they are doing!
>
> Here is the flip side of doing things right; if the AHJ is allowing  
> other
> contractors to get away with this type of stuff then we end up  
> looking bad
> to the GC's when we scream foul on their jobs when the electrical  
> contractor
> hits them with the shunt trip change order and the GC did not have  
> to do
> provide on previous jobs due to non-compliant contractors.
>
> And BTW, we are not infallible and have our own shortcomings as  
> well so I am
> not trying to be "holier than thou" so to speak, but I appreciate  
> the kind
> comments.
> Greg
>
> Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
> 1160 McKenzie Road
> Cantonment, FL 32533
> 850-937-1850
> Fax: 850-937-1852
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of  
> George Church
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:41 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: hydraulic elevators
>
> Perhaps everyone else in the area installs to #13R ?
> Perhaps a call to the local AHJ(s) would clear up whether you're  
> the only
> one doing it correctly, in which case maybe your competitors will be a
> little dismayed to find themselves going back and retrofitting their
> bottoms. The call to the AHJ(s) could be two-fold: ask them if they  
> believe
> it should be required; and ask WHY it is not- you may find in the near
> future you're no longer alone in the shaft.
>
> George Church
> Rowe Sprinkler
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of  
> David de
> Vries/Firetech
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:30 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: hydraulic elevators
>
> Pat on the back to the only contractor in the area complying with this
> provision of 13.
>
> --
> David de Vries, P.E., CSP
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Greg McGahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>
>> We are receiving mixed reviews from AHJ's regarding this issue: Are
>> sprinklers required in the bottom of hydraulic elevator shafts?
>>
>> I know what the code says but we have never been able to document  
>> that ANY
>
>> hydraulic elev fluid is non-combustible by definition. I was  
>> informed this
>
>> morning that we are the only contractor in the area putting  
>> sprinklers in
>> the bottom of these shafts.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Greg McGahan
>>
>>
>>
>
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