We had elevator inspectors make us go down in the pit and put a head guard on the sprinkler - guess that cage would protect it from breaking if the car came all the way down. Wouldn't want to drown anyone........
I think, with rare exceptions, we can all agree that: MOST PE's or EoR's are clueless WRT sprinklers. MOST AHJs/3rd parties lack the mastery of the intricacies of design to be relied upon for comprehensive review and inspection Therefore, I believe we need to have a working knowledge of the building codes, insofar as it affects and applies to our work; Have a detailed knowledge of the applicable NFPA codes; If applicable, know what local amendments affect our work; Understand the variability of water supplies, perform tests and adjust for lowest task gradient; Anticipate the problems your installers will face and include sufficient cushion to cover additional fittings. If you want to offer your customers more, know the upcoming edition of the code so you can apply it when it helps, or bid to the way you'll do it next year. Sure, you can just erlicate what a clueless PE did and seek CO's when applicable, and score a victory you can install to code if they decide to pay it, but I think that if you offer less than the above, you're part of the problem, just like the clueless PE, not part of the solution. Worse, you know better. I keep a vision of myself facing a widow's lawyer in court, that helps make good decisions. glc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Thurston Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:36 PM To: Bill Minkel Subject: Re[2]: Sprinkler Design Hello Bill, We put em in here Myrtle Beach area of SC ... So the elevator tech or alarm tech can shut off the water after he uses the head in the pit to hang his drop light on..... Happened twice here in the last year. Tuesday, April 3, 2007, 4:29:06 PM, you wrote: > I believe it is a Tennessee State Fire Marshall requirement. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 4:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Sprinkler Design > Why do you put a valve on the elevator pit head? > Living Water Fire Protection, LLC > 1160 McKenzie Road > Cantonment, FL 32533 > 850-937-1850 > Fax: 850-937-1852 > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Minkel > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 3:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Sprinkler Design > Yes. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trever > Williams > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 4:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Sprinkler Design > Since you don't care about building codes do you omit the sprinkler heads > from balconies of apartments buildings in jurisdictions that have adopted > the 2003 IBC because the NFPA 13R says you can? > > Trever Williams > Unlimited Sprinkler Fire Protection > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Minkel > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 2:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Sprinkler Design > > I do Sprinkler Design for a Sprinkler Contractor. I design to NFPA-13. > Don't > know building codes, don't care building codes, that's for the Architect or > Engineer of Record. I put a sidewall in every elevator pit with a tampered > "Butterball" on the branch. If NFPA-13 says do something I do it and I don't > worry about the plumbing inspector, the electrical inspector, the building > inspector. I do worry about the Fire Marshall Inspector. > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) -- Best regards, Charles mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
