13D requires all heads to be residential type, and a 2 head design, whereas 13R differentiates areas outside he dwelling which require non-residential heads and designed as per NFPA 13. That is where the problem lies. There is no difficulty making a 4 head design work with a 2" UG, (assuming it is not too long, of course). The problem is how would you design mech. rooms, generally over 2000 s.f. and other similar areas outside the dwelling unit, with a 2" UG, if the applicable code is 13R? The difference in 13D and 13R is not only the 2 head vs. 4 head.
Tony -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: August 20, 2007 11:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: large single family houses Why do you need a 4" UG for 13R? We do them on 2 and 2-1/2" UG's all the time, including combined services with a domestic allowance taken for fixture count at the common supply point. Is this to be a dedicated 2" fire service or a combined line? Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A.P.Silva Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 9:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: large single family houses I had this question when designing a 32,000 sq.ft. home. The mech. consultant specified 13D. I recommended 13 or at least 13R. They settled for 13R. But by this time a 2" underground was already installed. They wouldn't give me the 4" underground I needed for designing to 13R. Finally it was designed to 13D for a two head calc and agreed (at my insistence) to provide a pump for a 4 head calc. I can't believe they had money for providing a CO2 system for the elect. room but refused to upgrade the system to 13R. Tony -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - work Sent: August 20, 2007 10:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: large single family houses What's the latest poop on protecting large single-family residences? It doesn't seem that 13D would be appropriate for the structure, but I don't see anything in any of my Codes that would modify it. Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, Connecticut 860-535-2080 www.fpdc.com _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
