Jimmy, I would say you should install the return bends on the heads you reworked. Anything beyond that should be an add to your contract. Did you have any wording in your proposal and/or contract concerning existing systems not being modified by your contract?
Wonder when the last inspection was done and who accepted that system in the first place? It's hard to tell an owner that his system was put in wrong and now needs correcting. Most just look at you like you're trying to drum up more business. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Group Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lg.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jimmy Waite Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Return Bends Good Morning Forum Gurus, I have a question that I think I know the answer to but, don't want to accept it yet, so I'd like to get some outside opinions. Here's what happened. We just completed a small remodel project on a wet, pond fed system. We only had to alter the office area of a storage facility. It was around two dozen heads in all. A dozen heads on the first floor, and a dozen heads on the second floor. The existing system DID NOT have return bends to feed these pendent heads. On the first floor we simply re-swung the arm-overs to accommodate a new ceiling layout. On the second floor we added three new branchlines, each on an eight inch riser nipple, and kept the existing pipe schedule. I can't remember if we tore out the existing branchlines, or if we just left them above the ceiling (I don't hear much about projects once they leave my office). I had never designed a pond-fed system before, and I simply overlooked return bends. We have completely finished this project. Yesterday we received a fax pointing out our error that return bends were not installed, and telling us to fix them. So having said all that (clear as mud right?), do we need the return bends? Is it our responsibility to correct that mistake on a previously accepted system? If we had done a lot of changes, then I think it would be different; but we just relocated the heads that were already there. Are there any other exceptions other than 8.14.18.3 and 8.14.18.4 of the '02 ED. (8.15.18.3 and 8.15.18.4 of the '07 ED.)? Basically do we have any other options, other than taking the loss and fixing the arm-overs? If you do think we have to fix them, do you think we should have fix both floors or just second? Thanks for the help all. Jimmy Waite (FNG) Burtell Fire Protection, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (406) 652-7697 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
