Scott, I believe Victaulic's #728 Ball Valve would meet this criteria. It's similar to the Milwaukee Valves someone else mentioned.
Ken Holsopple Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott A. Futrell Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: a non-typical type installation question... I'm in agreement with Steve regarding supervision. I don't see how you can install a ball valve. >From NFPA 13R: 5.2.12.1.2 Valve Closure Time. Unless the requirements of 6.7.1.5 apply, listed indicating valves shall not close in less than 5 seconds when operated at maximum possible speed from the fully open position. 6.7.1.4 System control or shutoff valves shall be of the slow-closing type unless they meet the requirements of 6.7.1.5. 6.7.1.5 System control or shutoff valves on backflow prevention devices that are 2 in. (50 mm) or less in nominal size shall not be required to comply with 6.7.1.4. Scott Futrell (763) 425-1001 Office (612) 759-5556 Cell -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: a non-typical type installation question... I guess as a design-only enterprise, we can pull a stunt like this here and there, but I wouldn't concede to that no way no how. I agree with Mark, but to underscore even more emphatically: the number one cause of sprinkler system failure is encumbered water supplies and partially/wholly closed valves account for something like 85% of those instances. FDNY has lost firefighters in two fires that I can remember in just the past 5 years or so where sectional valves buried in walls or ceilings behind unmarked AP's were left closed and allowed sprinklered structures to become fully involved. Ball valves? Unsupervised? Nah ... Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Sornsin Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: a non-typical type installation question... Chuck: There should be no problem installing these valves. I believe they should be supervised, as they control water to protected areas. The problem with adding sectional valves to a system is that they are easily forgotten. The main cause of sprinkler system failure is the shut valve. Therefore, as a general rule, one should hesitate to add valves where they are not required. But if the owner wants them in place, I would suggest additional security - especially if they are going to be located in a concealed location (e.g. above a ceiling). Seals or locks seem appropriate in addition to the electrical supervision. Mark A. Sornsin, PE Fire Protection Engineer Ulteig Engineers, Inc. Fargo, ND 701.280.8591 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RFI - Bismarck Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: a non-typical type installation question... Have a fairly small facility (<60 Heads); typical "U" shaped building; the owner is requesting that prior to going into each "wing" a ball valve be placed to be able to shut down that side of the wing for maintenance purposes... the AHJ - who also wears the hat as the buildings' maintenance super' -was contacted by the owner to request this scenario - to which he (AHJ) has approved. Couple questions I have after reading 13R 2007; 5.2.12.4.4 and 6.7.1.2: (1) Acceptable installation then? (I'm leaning towards "yes") (2) Supervised? (3) Non-supervised? Only reason for #2 & #3 is because they (NFPA sections) don't 'compliment' one another - yet they don't "contradict" either. 5.2.12.4.4 states that you can use one... doesn't state that it needs to be supervised where 6.7.1.2 states otherwise... Any help or insight would be appreciated!! RFI Chuck No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. 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