Scot,

I believe that the practice of dump testing of Halon systems (either with
1301 or 122) contributed to the penguins getting a suntan.  If a more
reasonable perspective had been taken whereby dump testing had been
eliminated in lieu of fan testing the fire extinguishing ozone depletion
concern would have been a non issue. Then again lots of money was made in
the process.

Much of this not science but rather public policy. If it were otherwise
nuclear power would dominate the United States, electric cars would be cost
effective and coal and oil with their greenhouse gas emissions would be left
in the ground.

As for sprinklers the backflow issues, and now diesel prime mover emissions
will need to be nipped in the bud. (NJ has a proposal afoot to return to the
1700 ft NSPC RPZ rule rather then the current 0 ft. rule)  

John Drucker
Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ)


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of å... ....
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Sapphire

thank you for the criticism.

yep.
that is all we are doing here.
you and I are--betting.
wild-eyed betting.
but someone has to be the first to open the debate.
and the pioneers usually got the arrows.


btw, and for a start-- flourine is the most electronegative
atom on the periodic chart.  Novec has several.

the point was not a concern about how many pounds of
Halon was, or Novec will be,
released, but how much damage it will eventually do.  And the
speculation was not focussed on greenhouse gases, though
that is collateral damage, but upon the older issue of ozone.
Pound for pound, some halocarbons do damage in exponentially
greater proportion than a pound of CO2 or SO2 or NOx, etc,
 Once the Halogen-C bond is scissored, the halo-radical can wreak its damage
through
a relatively long lifetime extending through many, many reactions.

I am sure some scientist will step forward and say it is safe.
Nicotine cigarettes made medicinal claims for years.
I don't think this manufacturer would go that low.

we will know in 20 years or so.
about the time data should be coming in
  on another halo-product, the Teflon pan.

But this original thread was not that far afield: it is fire suppression
related.  and in areas where wall integrity or system
maintenance can be hit-or-miss, these one-shot systems
are better backed with sprinklers in fact.  There is a tie-in,
if we must have one.

I never dissed the manufacturer, just
am specious of the product.  The company
you mentioned is one of THE BEST to work for. period.

I have heard my words before called--a quack,
but gem of a bird, I want to duck in fact.

scot deal
excelsior fire
_______________________________________________
Sprinklerforum mailing list
[email protected]
http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum

To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)

_______________________________________________
Sprinklerforum mailing list
[email protected]
http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum

To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)

Reply via email to