If we stop burning oil in cars we'll have a lot more plastic to build them from.

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:03 AM, John Drucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Scot,
>
> I believe that the practice of dump testing of Halon systems (either with
> 1301 or 122) contributed to the penguins getting a suntan.  If a more
> reasonable perspective had been taken whereby dump testing had been
> eliminated in lieu of fan testing the fire extinguishing ozone depletion
> concern would have been a non issue. Then again lots of money was made in
> the process.
>
> Much of this not science but rather public policy. If it were otherwise
> nuclear power would dominate the United States, electric cars would be cost
> effective and coal and oil with their greenhouse gas emissions would be left
> in the ground.
>
> As for sprinklers the backflow issues, and now diesel prime mover emissions
> will need to be nipped in the bud. (NJ has a proposal afoot to return to the
> 1700 ft NSPC RPZ rule rather then the current 0 ft. rule)
>
> John Drucker
> Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ)
>
>
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> Subject: Sapphire
>
> thank you for the criticism.
>
> yep.
> that is all we are doing here.
> you and I are--betting.
> wild-eyed betting.
> but someone has to be the first to open the debate.
> and the pioneers usually got the arrows.
>
>
> btw, and for a start-- flourine is the most electronegative
> atom on the periodic chart.  Novec has several.
>
> the point was not a concern about how many pounds of
> Halon was, or Novec will be,
> released, but how much damage it will eventually do.  And the
> speculation was not focussed on greenhouse gases, though
> that is collateral damage, but upon the older issue of ozone.
> Pound for pound, some halocarbons do damage in exponentially
> greater proportion than a pound of CO2 or SO2 or NOx, etc,
>  Once the Halogen-C bond is scissored, the halo-radical can wreak its damage
> through
> a relatively long lifetime extending through many, many reactions.
>
> I am sure some scientist will step forward and say it is safe.
> Nicotine cigarettes made medicinal claims for years.
> I don't think this manufacturer would go that low.
>
> we will know in 20 years or so.
> about the time data should be coming in
>  on another halo-product, the Teflon pan.
>
> But this original thread was not that far afield: it is fire suppression
> related.  and in areas where wall integrity or system
> maintenance can be hit-or-miss, these one-shot systems
> are better backed with sprinklers in fact.  There is a tie-in,
> if we must have one.
>
> I never dissed the manufacturer, just
> am specious of the product.  The company
> you mentioned is one of THE BEST to work for. period.
>
> I have heard my words before called--a quack,
> but gem of a bird, I want to duck in fact.
>
> scot deal
> excelsior fire
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