If we stop burning oil in cars we'll have a lot more plastic to build them from.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:03 AM, John Drucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Scot, > > I believe that the practice of dump testing of Halon systems (either with > 1301 or 122) contributed to the penguins getting a suntan. If a more > reasonable perspective had been taken whereby dump testing had been > eliminated in lieu of fan testing the fire extinguishing ozone depletion > concern would have been a non issue. Then again lots of money was made in > the process. > > Much of this not science but rather public policy. If it were otherwise > nuclear power would dominate the United States, electric cars would be cost > effective and coal and oil with their greenhouse gas emissions would be left > in the ground. > > As for sprinklers the backflow issues, and now diesel prime mover emissions > will need to be nipped in the bud. (NJ has a proposal afoot to return to the > 1700 ft NSPC RPZ rule rather then the current 0 ft. rule) > > John Drucker > Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of å... .... > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Sapphire > > thank you for the criticism. > > yep. > that is all we are doing here. > you and I are--betting. > wild-eyed betting. > but someone has to be the first to open the debate. > and the pioneers usually got the arrows. > > > btw, and for a start-- flourine is the most electronegative > atom on the periodic chart. Novec has several. > > the point was not a concern about how many pounds of > Halon was, or Novec will be, > released, but how much damage it will eventually do. And the > speculation was not focussed on greenhouse gases, though > that is collateral damage, but upon the older issue of ozone. > Pound for pound, some halocarbons do damage in exponentially > greater proportion than a pound of CO2 or SO2 or NOx, etc, > Once the Halogen-C bond is scissored, the halo-radical can wreak its damage > through > a relatively long lifetime extending through many, many reactions. > > I am sure some scientist will step forward and say it is safe. > Nicotine cigarettes made medicinal claims for years. > I don't think this manufacturer would go that low. > > we will know in 20 years or so. > about the time data should be coming in > on another halo-product, the Teflon pan. > > But this original thread was not that far afield: it is fire suppression > related. and in areas where wall integrity or system > maintenance can be hit-or-miss, these one-shot systems > are better backed with sprinklers in fact. There is a tie-in, > if we must have one. > > I never dissed the manufacturer, just > am specious of the product. The company > you mentioned is one of THE BEST to work for. period. > > I have heard my words before called--a quack, > but gem of a bird, I want to duck in fact. > > scot deal > excelsior fire > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman at home.... _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
