Ron,

Yes,  All of our engines (pumpers) carry a minimum of 15 ft of soft
"suction" hose (also referred to as "soft sleeve"). In our jurisdiction the
main hydrant outlet (steamer connection) is 4-1/2". Soft sleeve is 6" double
jacketed or synthetic coupled down to 4-1/2" thread at the hydrant and a
full 6" at the engine suction connection. Our standard operating procedures
stipulate that residual supply pressure shall not be less then 20 psi on
water supplies other then at draft. This coincides with the AWWA standard
and 2006 IFC B102 Fire Flow. However it should be noted that the 20 psi
reference in he IFC is the minimum acceptable pressure when evaluating the
adequacy of water supplies for fire flow. It should also be noted that a
fire department is not bound to those provisions and a command officer well
within his/her right to pump at lower residual pressures where necessary to
assure the safety of building occupants or firefighters. 

There's really no clear consensus on this, perhaps because of the
unpredictability of firefighting.  John Normans Fire Officers Handbook of
Tactics stipulates residual pump pressures of no less then 10 psi. With
other then hard suction (hard sleeve) the risk of hose collapse is increased
with lower residual pressures. It takes only a moment for a pump operator to
experience an increased flow at low inlet pressure followed by supply line
collapse and loss of water supply. In that regard the 20psi cushion provides
an increased margin of safety. I've pumped large fire flows at 10 psi
residual with no apparent effects to the water supply, however given the
choice 20 psi is more comfortable.

In conclusion if we're speaking of design criteria, then 20 psi is your
number. As for firefighting, ya gotta been in the chiefs shoes that day.

Hope that helps

John Drucker
Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ)
Red Bank, NJ
Engineer- Engine 182
Middletown Township Fire Dept-Station 8
Middletown, NJ


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Subject: FD Pumper Suction Hose

Does anyone have experience with 4" pumper truck suction hose of the
soft variety? According to a City FPE Phoenix FD requires 20 psi
(flowing) at private hydrants to avoid collapsing the soft suction hose.
Sounds fishy to me but I have no way of knowing.

I can understand not taking the city main below 20 psi but I don't see
why a private fire main can't go below 20.

Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic
Phoenix, AZ
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