Let's hear it from the Amen Chorus. On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Thom McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is typically what we all see. "Sprinkler shall co-ordinate with all > trades" MEANING "If I get here first you'll have to move even if your > drawings are the only ones that give elevation and distance off walls and > column lines" > > Remember when we used to get "Duct Shop Drawings" that had duct sizes, BOD > (bottom of duct) showed where they were off of the structure in feet and > inches. Now every duct guy just installs off the MPE drawings with no > elevations or set distances, just because it's on cad. It leaves you to > guess if his fittings are FOB (Flat on Top) or FOB (Flat on Bottom) Why are > there more change orders? Because the engineering community hasn't increased > their Level of Care, to reflect that their bid drawings are now the shop > drawings for the MPE trades. > > Yeah we all hear the 3D will make this change order thing go away, just like > a "Paperless society" Computers and printers have only made more paper usage > easier. When was the last time you bought a printer that printed fewer pages > per min than the one it replaced? More paper + more CYA, so when in double > print it out, in case the computer crashes. 3D can help with co-ordination, > but only to the level of expertise of the person inputting the data. Usually > a IT geek or nerd, not the PE, and rarely anyone with actual hands on > experience of how it really goes together. > > Thom McMahon, SET > Firetech, Inc. > 2560 Copper Ridge Dr > P.O. Box 882136 > Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 > Tel: 970-879-7952 > Fax: 970-879-7926 > > > > (sprinkler) can go around us. It's like a 3D retrofit. The only thing that > changes is we spend more design time to come up with the same product. > Besides we FP contractors have been doing 3D since the beginning of time, > it's just that the presentation has been 2D. > > Ron Fletcher > Aero Automatic > Phoenix, AZ > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >
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