They did a lot more than just test at peak supply, they crossed the line of
coincidence into fraud and deception.

I'd be looking at the pipe diameter tables, etc. in their calcs, apparently
there's not much this guy wouldn't do to gain a nickel at the expense of
life safety and everything else we, as an industry, stand for.

glc

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack,
SET
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: system review 

I believe it states the flow test shall be done at peak demand and
seasonally adjusted for lower fire flows, or something of that sort.  It
sounds like they went and got the test done when the conditions were
perfect.  I hope that a fire only occurs during the time you specified. :-( 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Garth W.
Warren
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 7:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: system review 

Question for the lettered members and others with experience and/or an
opinion -

I recently looked at the riser of a new system installed in my home town. 
The system requirement according to the hyd. calc. nameplate states
377.9...@75psi.  The system gauges read 60psi static.
When I contacted the water superintendent he stated the installing
contractor took the hydrant flow information used to design the system.  He
also stated that he head been asked to have the standpipe full and to have
both Town pumps turned on before the hydrant was flowed.
He continuede that it is standard procedure to have a water department
employee respond to the water plant for every fire department discharge to
turn on the pumps.  He stated the standpipe is filled once weekly prior to
weekends so that water employees do not have to work weekends then the
standpipe is drawn down, filled during the week.....
It appears the "best case scenario" was used in taking the hydrant flow
making the system suffient only when the standpipe is filled and both pumps
are in operation.
I do not see anything in 13 which tells anyone how to determine the
acceptability of hydrant flow data, however if the gauge states there is 15
pounds less static pressure than what is required residually for the system
to operate - then there is a problem.
Is there any requirement for engineers or others to apply acceptability
standards to hydrant flow data or can the results purposely be slanted?  It
seems the system will operate properly Thursday 10am through Friday at
4pm.......
The local AHJ states he accepted the opinion and acceptance of the engineer
hired to review and accept the system.  I do not know if this firm or
individual has any training in fire protection systems, or if he has
provided any such credentials to the AJH.  This is in the State of NY.

opinions? thoughts? code references? standard references?

thanks in advance,
Garth
retired fitter 


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