We can spec and list and write it up within our scopes but the question that 
comes to mind is whether that which is specified available over there? 


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[email protected]
http://www.ch2m.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 12:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: UAE, Saudi, Codes and standards and component certifications

IBC and Calif. codes reference NFPA standards, NFPA standards define or imply 
that listed means tested and then included in a published list by an 
organization concerned with evaluation of products or services and
recognized/approved by the AHJ.    So it's up to the approving agency,
but in our case everyone so far as bought into the notion that if it's
listed and per the applicable NFPA standard, it is acceptable.   We are
using UL and FM and UL/FM product on this particular project.

Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA




-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
[email protected]
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:15 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: UAE, Saudi, Codes and standards and component certifications

What about equipment listings? 


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[email protected]
http://www.ch2m.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 12:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: UAE, Saudi, Codes and standards and component certifications

Don't know the minimum national prescriptive in KSA, but we're doing a new 
ground-up hospital for a Saudi healthcare system and they came to our American 
design team because they were voluntarily looking for the
most stringent standards they could find.   And since everyone knows
that California's state healthcare jurisdictional agency is completely
over-the-top, we're doing it along those lines.   There doesn't appear
to be any conflict between the local or national Saudi provisions and what 
we're using, which is IBC 2006 with significant California amendments.

Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA




-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
[email protected]
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: UAE, Saudi, Codes and standards and component certifications

I know we have a few international participants here and I need to know if 
someone can assist in telling me what Codes are used for fire protection in the 
above mentioned areas.  Also, we use Underwriters Laboratories (U.L.) here as 
our testing agency which NFPA indirectly references and I'm wondering what is 
the equivalent over there.




Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[email protected]
http://www.ch2m.com 

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