Philosophically, one of the reasons I left contracting was this type of scenario. I don't disagree with diplomacy Ron, but respectfully disagree with the methodology you suggest. Conceding to this falls into the, "Give 'em an inch and they'll take a yard" category; I see no reason to bite the bullet in a crappy market and lose whatever margin there may be on the project, just to keep the peace. It's a respect thing- if the GC doesn't respect you enough to do the right thing, what's the incentive to do another project with them in the future? I had a similar incident in 1993 and I asked the PM for the GC after he made this exact threat to me about future work, "So let me get this straight - if I don't play nice and eat s^%t on this project, you won't give me another sh%^ty project in the future on which I can risk losing money?" And on a single complement project, I'd rather coordinate my hanger locations with sheet metal above than wrap my drops around the ducts below.
Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Renegade HVAC Contractor Here is a different approach. Most of the comments are what we would all like to do in that situation but not very realistic. Picking fights with other trades and GC's is nonproductive at best and may cost more in the long run than just getting it done. Especially if you ever want to work with the same construction team again. Next time with this GC you will know to install first and install high. Deal with the duct work when cutting drops. High and tight will usually eliminate most coordination problems. Just my 2 cents. Ron Fletcher Aero Automatic - Phoenix -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Renegade HVAC Contractor If he messes up your project, the Project Manager/ GC is at fault and creating delay and posibly additional expenses for you to complete your work. Place a Change Order request with the GC or notice of claim asap for additional field engineering and delay. You must assert this claim right away. The GC will likely brush it off if it is a smaller project but they'll know your serious when you lien the project. Documentation of everything is extremely important. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Williams <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:10 pm Subject: RE: Renegade HVAC Contractor Make sure you set up a camera to get video of them taking it down At 02:02 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote: >You could consider just throwing up a couple lengths of pipe alongside the >big openings on their trunk duct, amking sure you're the size of the opening >+ 6" away from it so you've accommodated the offsets they'd need to get >around you. Start with the openings just outside the meeting room. > >A couple lengths under roof top openings should give them a clue that you're >serious. In one day you should be able to hang a couple lengths in front of >several of these, no outlets required, helps you make your point. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron >Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:21 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Renegade HVAC Contractor > >At least you are not spending money and time on BIM while all the other >trades are doing installation. Remember the sprinkler creed "install >high install first". > >Ron Fletcher >Aero Automatic >Phoenix > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian >Harris >Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:02 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Renegade HVAC Contractor > >I could use a little ammo for an upcoming coordination meeting I have on >Monday. We are working on a pretty big school and the HVAC sub (per the >spec) is suppose to be spearheading a set of coordination drawings that >all subs need to agree on and then sigh off on before "any work can be >fabricated or installed". These drawings still have not been completed >and are actually not even close to being done. > >Here's where it gets good: > >* He has already begun installing his duct and has actually >completed >a couple wings. (without the approved coordination drawings) >* He wants to run all his ductwork 8" above ceiling throughout and >says sprinkler pipe needs to run above him, "that's industry standard" >!! >* He says he's never heard of ductwork being run through the >joist, >it's always the sprinkler lines that run up high. (this is in areas with >ceiling tiles) > >I could go on and on but I think you get the point, what I would love to >have is some hard facts/references that I can provide at the meeting so >this doesn't turn into a bigger pissing contest than it already has. I >don't dare release our pipe for fab without the drawings being signed >off but in the mean time he is installing away! > > >Regards, > > <http://www.firstdefensefire.com/> > > > > > > > > >E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: >6.12940 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. 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