Jay Jay,

That polemic was not addressing you or any other Forumite personally.
It was a general observation. It is just happenstance that it was your
email that I responded to.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Jay Jay Blocker
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I recently recieved a letter from one of the local jurisdictions in Colorado 
> asking contractors NOT to send any reports to there office due to economic 
> reasons.  I was told that Colorado was now one of the last 3 states that does 
> not have a State FM.  Dont know how true that is but I do know when I am 
> asked not to send reports into th AHJ that is as Thom said
> "Less Effective fire protection"
>
> J
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Thom McMahon <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 12:23:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Fire Pump Testing NFPA 25 requirements
>
> Let's face it in Colo. They think "Less Gov." is better Gov. But in reality
> "Less Gov. in fire protection is just "Less Effective fire protection"
> Colorado is I believe one of only like 8 states that doesn't have a State
> Fire Marshal. And while the Colo. Div. of Fire Safety adopts codes and
> standards, they are only enforceable in areas that do not have their own
> inspectors. Last year the DFS finally got inspections for schools away from
> the Div. of labor and industry. Which was inspecting based upon the 1986
> codes.
> We may have come a long way baby, but if 1986 is where you're at, you're in
> the wrong century!
>
> Thom McMahon, SET
> Firetech, Inc.
> 2560 Copper Ridge Dr
> P.O. Box 882136
> Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
> Tel:  970-879-7952
> Fax: 970-879-7926
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BF Blake
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:18 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Fire Pump Testing NFPA 25 requirements
>
>
>
> Yup, I record bearing temps too.  The old school method of using your hands
> was taught to me years ago.  I have since "upgraded" to a digital laser IR
> probe, still use the hand method for back up.
>
> I have not seen fire pump testing enforced.  I know of more than 25 fire
> pumps (most are very small, 750 GPM, net 90s, vertical turbine) installed in
> recent years that have ZERO ITM, none, nada zip, zilch.  Some are in true
> high rises (metro area), some are in F-1, F-2 and S-1, S-2 occupancies.  One
> is an R-4. Another is in a large E-occupancy.
>
> Most common local code here is IFC 2006 (see 901.6.1), simply not enforced.
>
>
> I am waiting for failures, they're on their way. (Let me go on record,
> catastrophic failures are on the way).
>
> (No place for home rule in fire protection..... that's part of the problem
> IMHO... but lets have home rule and road construction get together.  Where
> are my purple stop signs in Ft Collins, my orange ones in Denver, and my
> white ones in Castle Rock.  How about square yield signs in Fort Lupton.
> Let's have 4 lane high way bridges with a maximum live load of 4 tons in
> Colorado Springs, and a maximum live load of 100 tons in Grand Junction.
> Lets have black hydrants... Wait... Wait. I have those already - with white
> bonnets.  They blend in really nicely at night with the snow.)
>
> Byron
> Freedom Fire
> Longmont, CO (formerly a Florida boy)
>
>
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Ron Greenman
Instructor
Fire Protection Engineering
Bates Technical College
Tacoma, WA

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