All members of this forum will admit that there is a minimum level of Gov. "Direction" that is need to prevent CAOS! The failure of the State Gov. to responsibly regulate the local "Home Rule" areas of the state results in different code, interpretation and levels of enforcement, none of which lead to "Better Fire protection."
Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Fire Pump Testing NFPA 25 requirements Jay Jay, That polemic was not addressing you or any other Forumite personally. It was a general observation. It is just happenstance that it was your email that I responded to. On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Jay Jay Blocker <[email protected]> wrote: > I recently recieved a letter from one of the local jurisdictions in > Colorado asking contractors NOT to send any reports to there office due to economic reasons. I was told that Colorado was now one of the last 3 states that does not have a State FM. Dont know how true that is but I do know when I am asked not to send reports into th AHJ that is as Thom said "Less Effective fire protection" > > J > > > > ________________________________ > From: Thom McMahon <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 12:23:21 PM > Subject: RE: Fire Pump Testing NFPA 25 requirements > > Let's face it in Colo. They think "Less Gov." is better Gov. But in > reality "Less Gov. in fire protection is just "Less Effective fire protection" > Colorado is I believe one of only like 8 states that doesn't have a > State Fire Marshal. And while the Colo. Div. of Fire Safety adopts > codes and standards, they are only enforceable in areas that do not > have their own inspectors. Last year the DFS finally got inspections > for schools away from the Div. of labor and industry. Which was > inspecting based upon the 1986 codes. > We may have come a long way baby, but if 1986 is where you're at, > you're in the wrong century! > > Thom McMahon, SET > Firetech, Inc. > 2560 Copper Ridge Dr > P.O. Box 882136 > Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 > Tel: 970-879-7952 > Fax: 970-879-7926 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BF > Blake > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:18 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Fire Pump Testing NFPA 25 requirements > > > > Yup, I record bearing temps too. The old school method of using your > hands was taught to me years ago. I have since "upgraded" to a > digital laser IR probe, still use the hand method for back up. > > I have not seen fire pump testing enforced. I know of more than 25 > fire pumps (most are very small, 750 GPM, net 90s, vertical turbine) > installed in recent years that have ZERO ITM, none, nada zip, zilch. > Some are in true high rises (metro area), some are in F-1, F-2 and > S-1, S-2 occupancies. One is an R-4. Another is in a large E-occupancy. > > Most common local code here is IFC 2006 (see 901.6.1), simply not enforced. > > > I am waiting for failures, they're on their way. (Let me go on record, > catastrophic failures are on the way). > > (No place for home rule in fire protection..... that's part of the > problem IMHO... but lets have home rule and road construction get > together. Where are my purple stop signs in Ft Collins, my orange > ones in Denver, and my white ones in Castle Rock. How about square yield signs in Fort Lupton. > Let's have 4 lane high way bridges with a maximum live load of 4 tons > in Colorado Springs, and a maximum live load of 100 tons in Grand Junction. > Lets have black hydrants... Wait... Wait. I have those already - with > white bonnets. They blend in really nicely at night with the snow.) > > Byron > Freedom Fire > Longmont, CO (formerly a Florida boy) > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Bates Technical College Tacoma, WA Member: SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA, WSAFM _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
