Yes, yes, I know--not a perfect world! But in such a world the owner, by definition, is responsible for complying with NFPA 25 (the law) and not the AHJ. The AHJ's role is to enforce the law when it's been broken, not to interfere with with the activities of citizens and be constantly monitoring their activities. How would you all react if the police were constantly monitoring your activities (I know, I know)? A late night knock on the door. "Just checking to make sure you're not breaking the law. We'd like to have a look around. Probable cause? We don't need probable cause. We can make the law as we go." If the law is 25 and 25 does not speak to enforcement, or, as David pointed out, the IFC does but does define who enforces but does not define what that means then why all this concern with lack of enforcement. I find it ironic that I, the admitted liberal on the Forum, am always arguing that government interference needs to be specifically spelled out by statute if government is to be allowed to interfere but a common theme on the Forum has, at least in the past, been virulent attacks on liberals because it is assumed they are overly interested in interference. Seems there's a disconnect when one expounds the evil of government regulating business when that business is based on government regulation of others.
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Jay Jay Blocker <[email protected]> wrote: > I recently recieved a letter from one of the local jurisdictions in Colorado > asking contractors NOT to send any reports to there office due to economic > reasons. I was told that Colorado was now one of the last 3 states that does > not have a State FM. Dont know how true that is but I do know when I am > asked not to send reports into th AHJ that is as Thom said > "Less Effective fire protection" > > J > > > > ________________________________ > From: Thom McMahon <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 12:23:21 PM > Subject: RE: Fire Pump Testing NFPA 25 requirements > > Let's face it in Colo. They think "Less Gov." is better Gov. But in reality > "Less Gov. in fire protection is just "Less Effective fire protection" > Colorado is I believe one of only like 8 states that doesn't have a State > Fire Marshal. And while the Colo. Div. of Fire Safety adopts codes and > standards, they are only enforceable in areas that do not have their own > inspectors. Last year the DFS finally got inspections for schools away from > the Div. of labor and industry. Which was inspecting based upon the 1986 > codes. > We may have come a long way baby, but if 1986 is where you're at, you're in > the wrong century! > > Thom McMahon, SET > Firetech, Inc. > 2560 Copper Ridge Dr > P.O. Box 882136 > Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 > Tel: 970-879-7952 > Fax: 970-879-7926 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BF Blake > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:18 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Fire Pump Testing NFPA 25 requirements > > > > Yup, I record bearing temps too. The old school method of using your hands > was taught to me years ago. I have since "upgraded" to a digital laser IR > probe, still use the hand method for back up. > > I have not seen fire pump testing enforced. I know of more than 25 fire > pumps (most are very small, 750 GPM, net 90s, vertical turbine) installed in > recent years that have ZERO ITM, none, nada zip, zilch. Some are in true > high rises (metro area), some are in F-1, F-2 and S-1, S-2 occupancies. One > is an R-4. Another is in a large E-occupancy. > > Most common local code here is IFC 2006 (see 901.6.1), simply not enforced. > > > I am waiting for failures, they're on their way. (Let me go on record, > catastrophic failures are on the way). > > (No place for home rule in fire protection..... that's part of the problem > IMHO... but lets have home rule and road construction get together. Where > are my purple stop signs in Ft Collins, my orange ones in Denver, and my > white ones in Castle Rock. How about square yield signs in Fort Lupton. > Let's have 4 lane high way bridges with a maximum live load of 4 tons in > Colorado Springs, and a maximum live load of 100 tons in Grand Junction. > Lets have black hydrants... Wait... Wait. I have those already - with white > bonnets. They blend in really nicely at night with the snow.) > > Byron > Freedom Fire > Longmont, CO (formerly a Florida boy) > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Bates Technical College Tacoma, WA Member: SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA, WSAFM _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
