You pay your workers in Euros?  Very progressive.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Forest Wilson <[email protected]>wrote:

> It is worth noting that the Industry Promotion Fund is entirely funded
> by union signstory contractors.
> For each labor hour worked, signstory contractors must pay into the IP
> Fund, in my area we pay .25€ hour.
> This applies even if the contractor is not an NFSA member.
> The AFSA was started as a training organization because the NFSA
> refused to create an apprenticeship program for non union contractors.
> I own a small union shop and I agree that it is important to belong to
> an industry association. Traditionally, the union shops belong to the
> NFSA for collective bargaining purposes, while the non union belong to
> the AFSA for the apprenticeship training. However, both organizations
> are actively soliciting both groups now.
> The contractors that refuse to join one of these groups only reap the
> benefits created at the expense of others.
>
>
> Forest Wilson
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> Cherokee Fire Protection Co.
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> Dayton OH 45434
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Church <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:51:53 -0400
> Subject: RE: Fire Pump Testing NFPA 25 requirements
>
> Hey, we in PA just left early 80's BOCA in April 2004.
> And our SFM doesn't look at sprinklers -
> Unless arson or a buried fuel storage tank is involved.
>
> Our SFM is, however, coming out to MC a side-by-side burn next week at
> the
> PennBOC annual convention in Harrisburg.
>
> And this is where the difference in spkr associations shows up-
> NFSA has taken care of getting the rooms built, delivered, & erected,
> courtesy of some Industry Promotion Funds. If this were to be done by
> AFSA,
> there's some doubt a funding source would have been found, and we'd
> have had
> to do it ourselves. NFSA's regional mgr Ray Lonabaugh took care of the
> arrangements. I'm not saying one is better than the other, I believe
> (strongly) they both have a place in our industry. Most important thing
> for
> each of us is to support one or the other or both.
>
> glc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> =0
> AFrom: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom
> McMahon
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 2:23 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Fire Pump Testing NFPA 25 requirements
>
> Let's face it in Colo. They think "Less Gov." is better Gov. But in
> reality
> "Less Gov. in fire protection is just "Less Effective fire protection"
> Colorado is I believe one of only like 8 states that doesn't have a
> State
> Fire Marshal. And while the Colo. Div. of Fire Safety adopts codes and
> standards, they are only enforceable in areas that do not have their own
> inspectors. Last year the DFS finally got inspections for schools away
> from
> the Div. of labor and industry. Which was inspecting based upon the 1986
> codes.
> We may have come a long way baby, but if 1986 is where you're at,
> you're in
> the wrong century!
>
> Thom McMahon, SET
> Firetech, Inc.
> 2560 Copper Ridge Dr
> P.O. Box 882136
> Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
> Tel:  970-879-7952
> Fax: 970-879-7926
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BF Blake
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:18 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Fire Pump Testing NFPA 25 requirements
>
>
>
> Yup, I record bearing temps too.  The old school method of using your
> hands
> was taught to me years ago.  I have since "upgraded" to a digital laser
> IR
> probe,
>  still use the hand method for back up.
>
> I have not seen fire pump testing enforced.  I know of more than 25 fire
> pumps (most are very small, 750 GPM, net 90s, vertical turbine)
> installed in
> recent years that have ZERO ITM, none, nada zip, zilch.  Some are in
> true
> high rises (metro area), some are in F-1, F-2 and S-1, S-2 occupancies.
>  One
> is an R-4. Another is in a large E-occupancy.
>
> Most common local code here is IFC 2006 (see 901.6.1), simply not
> enforced.
>
>
> I am waiting for failures, they're on their way. (Let me go on record,
> catastrophic failures are on the way).
>
> (No place for home rule in fire protection..... that's part of the
> problem
> IMHO... but lets have home rule and road construction get together.
> Where
> are my purple stop signs in Ft Collins, my orange ones in Denver, and my
> white ones in Castle Rock.  How about square yield signs in Fort Lupton.
> Let's have 4 lane high way bridges with a maximum live load of 4 tons in
> Colorado Springs, and a maximum live load of 100 tons in Grand Junction.
> Lets have black hydrants... Wait... Wait. I have those already - with
> white
> bonnets.  They blend in really nicely at night with the snow.)
>
> Byron
> Freedom Fire
> Longmont, CO (formerly a Florida boy)
>
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