Agreed something happened. THE incident however is suspect IMHO. And you are right out of court and him not talking about it means is was a condition of the settlement. Many, many times as you know it's cheaper to settle than fight. We also don't know the extent of injury. I suspect minor because if significant they would have been looking for a lot of money which raises the probability of going to court.
I'll ask an attorney friend if and how to look up. Chris Cahill, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. 763-658-4483 763-658-4921 fax Email: [email protected] Mail: P.O. Box 69 Waverly, MN 55390 Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW Waverly, MN 55390 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Report: Antifreeze sprinkler system may have contributed tofatalexplosion Chris my understanding from speaking with the defendant, a local contractor, was it was settled out of court. He would not disclose anything else. Feel free to petition the court for the files but I suspect its sealed. The incident however did occur. John Drucker -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Report: Antifreeze sprinkler system may have contributed to fatalexplosion Back to that. What was the outcome of the case? That appears to be a summary of the claim not the verdict nor the discovery or special expert testimony. We all know it's rather easy to file a lawsuit making lots of claims. Oh and were they flash of AF burns or would have plain ol' water done the same as in steam burns? Think of pouring water on a sauna heater. Chris Cahill, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. 763-658-4483 763-658-4921 fax Email: [email protected] Mail: P.O. Box 69 Waverly, MN 55390 Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW Waverly, MN 55390 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Report: Antifreeze sprinkler system may have contributed to fatalexplosion Yes, heres the original email; From: John Drucker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:49 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: antifreeze combustibility? Members, An incident related to antifreeze occurred at the WindanSea, Highlands, NJ where a sprinkler system containing antifreeze discharged in proximity to a unit heater. The atomized liquid was ignited by the unit heater and occupants burned from the fire that resulted. CASE: Rohmer Vs. Windansea, Allied Fire and Safety Equipment and Infared Dynamics, Inc. TYPE OF LOSS: Fire involving sprinkler system anti-freeze solution NRG REFERENCE NO.: 1590-1-05 DATE: 1/12/06 COURT: Superior Court of New Jersey, Law Division Morris County, Docket No. MNSL-329-03 REPRESENTING: Plaintiff ATTORNEY FOR PLAINTIFF: Duane Morris LLP Hamilton, NJ Michael W. O'Hara, Esquire ATTORNEY FOR DEFENDANT WINDANSEA: Bolan, Jahnsen, Ball & Reardon Shrewsbury, NJ Vicki Shea-Connolly, Esquire ATTORNEY FOR DEFENDANT ALLIED FIRE AND SAFETY EQUIPMENT: Marshall, Dennehey, Warner, Coleman & Goggin Cherry Hill, NJ John Osorio, Esquire ATTORNEY FOR DEFENDANT INFARED DYNAMICS: James D. Butler, P.A. Jersey City, NJ Warren C. Farrell, Esquire Hope this helps; John Drucker Fire Protection Subcode Official Red Bank, NJ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Report: Antifreeze sprinkler system may have contributed to fatal explosion Didn't we have this discussion on the Forum a while back about 100% anti-freeze solution vs. anti-freeze/water mixtures? At 04:44 PM 10/22/2009, you wrote: >Why is there an antifreeze system inside a building? Not knowing what was >used in the system, here is the info from the ethylene glycol MSDS: > >Section 5: Fire and Explosion Data > >Flammability of the Product: May be combustible at high temperature. > >Auto-Ignition Temperature: 398°C (748.4°F) > >Flash Points: CLOSED CUP: 111°C (231.8°F). (Tagliabue.) > >Flammable Limits: LOWER: 3.2% > >Products of Combustion: These products are carbon oxides (CO, CO2). > >Fire Hazards in Presence of Various Substances: >Slightly flammable to flammable in presence of open flames and sparks, of >heat. >Non-flammable in presence of shocks. > >This looks like antifreeze systems need to be investigated by NIST to >determine the dangers. > >Thank You > >Rahe Loftin, P.E. >Region 7 - GSA >Office - 817-978-7299 >Fax - 817-978-8644 >Cell - 817-371-3102 > > > > > > "Richard Mote" > <rich...@rowespri To > nkler.com> <[email protected]> > Sent by: cc > sprinklerforum-bo > un...@firesprinkl Subject > er.org Report: Antifreeze sprinkler system > may have contributed to fatal > explosion > 10/22/2009 03:18 > PM > > > Please respond to > sprinklerfo...@fi > resprinkler.org; > Please respond to > Richard Mote > <rich...@rowespri > nkler.com> > > > > > > >Say What? > >http://www.sierrasun.com/article/20091020/NEWS/910169995/1066&ParentProfile =1051 > > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. 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