Even better, not withstanding whichever is technically correct "You the customer have the choice of one of three environmentally.... Hydrogen hydroxide Dihydrogen monoxide Dihydrogen Oxide"
Or "we use a scientifically tested proprietary blend of the following..." Good stuff, keep it coming. Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Hewitt Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: FM-200 System Hydrogen hydroxide Jeff Hewitt, PE, SET, SFPE (Professional Member) Corporate Engineer Bi-State Fire Protection Corporation 241 Hughes Lane St. Charles, MO 63301 636-946-0011 636-946-5172 (fax) 314-574-6989 (cell) Fire Sprinklers Save lives. Can You Live Without Them? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: FM-200 System dihydrogen monoxide -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: FM-200 System I will be robbing this thought some day, nice. Got to think about putting it right in our letterhead. Sentry Fire - Your Green Contractor - We use only Dihydrogen Oxide, the best and most environmentally friendly fire fighting agent on the planet. Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FM-200 System Just tell the IT guy that the fire protection in his 120 sqft is being provided by the new wonder chemical di-hydrogen oxide that is cheap, renewable, safe and is the best fire fighting medium known to man. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:24 AM, John Drucker <[email protected]> wrote: > Adding to Jim's post, here some more critical "red flags", all > references to > 2006 IBC/IFC > > Table 503 Notes 1. and 3.; "Section 504.2, Allowable height increase > due to > automatic sprinkler system installation.", "Section 506.3, Allowable > area increase due to automatic sprinkler system installation." > > Table 601 Note e.; "An approved automatic sprinkler system in > accordance with Section 903.3.1.1 shall be allowed to be substituted > for 1-hour fire-resistance-rated construction, provided such system is > not otherwise required by other provisions of the code or used for an > allowable area increase in accordance with Section 506.3 or an > allowable height increase in > accordance with Section 504.2. The 1-hour substitution for the fire > resistance of exterior walls shall not be permitted." > > Table 1005.1 "Egress width per occupant served- With and Without > Sprinkler System" > > 1005.2.1 Two exits or exit access doorways. Exceptions; "2. Where > a building is equipped throughout with an automatic sprinkler system > in accordance with Section 903.3.1.1 or 903.3.1.2, the separation > distance of the exit doors or exit access doorways shall not be less > than one-third of the length of the maximum overall diagonal dimension of the area served." > > Table 1016.1 Exit Access Travel Distance - With and Without Sprinkler > System., Notes b & c; b. Buildings equipped throughout with an > automatic sprinkler system in accordance with Section 903.3.1.1 or > 903.3.1.2. See Section 903 for occupancies where automatic sprinkler systems > in accordance with Section 903.3.1.2 are permitted. > c. Buildings equipped throughout with an automatic sprinkler > system in > accordance with Section 903.3.1.1. > > Table 1017.1 Corridor Fire Resistance Rating - With and Without > Sprinkler System; Note c; "Buildings equipped throughout with an > automatic sprinkler system in accordance with Section 903.3.1.1 or 903.3.1.2 where allowed." > > Hope that helps, > > John Drucker, CET > Fire Protection Subcode Official > Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector > Fire Marshals Office > Borough of Red Bank, NJ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Davidson > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: FM-200 System > > Remember that the building code requires the building to be > sprinklered throughout and the use of alternative fire suppressions > systems instead of sprinkler systems does not met the requirements of > the building code. Be very careful if the building is classified as an > unlimited area building under the building code because the > substitution of a clean agent system for > the code required sprinkler system would violate the large area > building protection requirements of the building code. The owner has > no choice but to > comply with the building code. I have seen a few building code > officials shut down large area buildings because the IT manager had > the sprinkler system removed from the IT server room and replaced with > a clean agent system. The building code official has the last word > when it comes to the building being "sprinklered throughout". > > Have a fire safe day! > > Jim Davidson > > Davidson Associates > Fire Protection * Medical Gas * Code Consulting 302-994-9500 > Fax:302-234-1781 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: FM-200 System > > Further to this is a requirement that technical documentation shall be > furnished to the AHJ. > > Interesting when you're looking at a clean agent in lieu of a > sprinkler system. > > Has anyone developed a technical documentation indicating this > arrangement is equal or better than sprinkler protection, for those > with a customer who > is hydrophobic? > > Our AHJ isn't saying he won't accept it, and in a small 10x12 IT room > in a 100,000 SF light hazard building, it's not a mountain, it's a molehill. BUT- > you still need to submit technical documentation for a molehill. > > glc > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Drucker > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: FM-200 System > > 2006 IBC/IFC > > [F] 904.2 Where required. "Automatic fire-extinguishing systems > installed as an alternative to the required automatic sprinkler > systems of Section 903 shall be approved by the fire code official. > Automatic fire-extinguishing systems shall not be considered > alternatives for the purposes of exceptions or reductions allowed by > other requirements of this code." > > John Drucker Jr CET > Fire Protection Subcode Official > Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector > Borough of Red Bank, NJ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian > Harris > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: FM-200 System > > > Is a pre-action system required when an FM-200 system is installed? > > Thanks in Advance, > Brian > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY: > This email message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain information that is > privileged and > confidential, nor is it, unless specifically stated, intended to be > relied upon by any person or persons other than the individual or > entity named above and no warranties or representations are made or > intended to persons or entities not named above. 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