Sorry and thanks. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:18 AM, John Drucker <[email protected]> wrote: > dihydrogen monoxide > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: FM-200 System > > I will be robbing this thought some day, nice. Got to think about putting it > right in our letterhead. > > Sentry Fire - Your Green Contractor - We use only Dihydrogen Oxide, the best > and most environmentally friendly fire fighting agent on the planet. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:46 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: FM-200 System > > Just tell the IT guy that the fire protection in his 120 sqft is being > provided by the new wonder chemical di-hydrogen oxide that is cheap, > renewable, safe and is the best fire fighting medium known to man. > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:24 AM, John Drucker <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Adding to Jim's post, here some more critical "red flags", all >> references > to >> 2006 IBC/IFC >> >> Table 503 Notes 1. and 3.; "Section 504.2, Allowable height increase >> due > to >> automatic sprinkler system installation.", "Section 506.3, Allowable >> area increase due to automatic sprinkler system installation." >> >> Table 601 Note e.; "An approved automatic sprinkler system in >> accordance with Section 903.3.1.1 shall be allowed to be substituted >> for 1-hour fire-resistance-rated construction, provided such system is >> not otherwise required by other provisions of the code or used for an >> allowable area increase in accordance with Section 506.3 or an >> allowable height increase > in >> accordance with Section 504.2. The 1-hour substitution for the fire >> resistance of exterior walls shall not be permitted." >> >> Table 1005.1 "Egress width per occupant served- With and Without >> Sprinkler System" >> >> 1005.2.1 Two exits or exit access doorways. Exceptions; "2. Where >> a building is equipped throughout with an automatic sprinkler system >> in accordance with Section 903.3.1.1 or 903.3.1.2, the separation >> distance of the exit doors or exit access doorways shall not be less >> than one-third of the length of the maximum overall diagonal dimension of >> the area served." >> >> Table 1016.1 Exit Access Travel Distance - With and Without Sprinkler >> System., Notes b & c; b. Buildings equipped throughout with an >> automatic sprinkler system in accordance with Section 903.3.1.1 or >> 903.3.1.2. See Section 903 for occupancies where automatic sprinkler > systems >> in accordance with Section 903.3.1.2 are permitted. >> c. Buildings equipped throughout with an automatic sprinkler >> system > in >> accordance with Section 903.3.1.1. >> >> Table 1017.1 Corridor Fire Resistance Rating - With and Without >> Sprinkler System; Note c; "Buildings equipped throughout with an >> automatic sprinkler system in accordance with Section 903.3.1.1 or 903.3.1.2 >> where allowed." >> >> Hope that helps, >> >> John Drucker, CET >> Fire Protection Subcode Official >> Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector >> Fire Marshals Office >> Borough of Red Bank, NJ >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim > Davidson >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:47 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: FM-200 System >> >> Remember that the building code requires the building to be >> sprinklered throughout and the use of alternative fire suppressions >> systems instead of sprinkler systems does not met the requirements of >> the building code. Be very careful if the building is classified as an >> unlimited area building under the building code because the >> substitution of a clean agent system > for >> the code required sprinkler system would violate the large area >> building protection requirements of the building code. The owner has >> no choice but > to >> comply with the building code. I have seen a few building code >> officials shut down large area buildings because the IT manager had >> the sprinkler system removed from the IT server room and replaced with >> a clean agent system. The building code official has the last word >> when it comes to the building being "sprinklered throughout". >> >> Have a fire safe day! >> >> Jim Davidson >> >> Davidson Associates >> Fire Protection * Medical Gas * Code Consulting 302-994-9500 >> Fax:302-234-1781 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George > Church >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:45 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: FM-200 System >> >> Further to this is a requirement that technical documentation shall be >> furnished to the AHJ. >> >> Interesting when you're looking at a clean agent in lieu of a >> sprinkler system. >> >> Has anyone developed a technical documentation indicating this >> arrangement is equal or better than sprinkler protection, for those >> with a customer > who >> is hydrophobic? >> >> Our AHJ isn't saying he won't accept it, and in a small 10x12 IT room >> in a 100,000 SF light hazard building, it's not a mountain, it's a molehill. > BUT- >> you still need to submit technical documentation for a molehill. >> >> glc >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John > Drucker >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:37 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: FM-200 System >> >> 2006 IBC/IFC >> >> [F] 904.2 Where required. "Automatic fire-extinguishing systems >> installed as an alternative to the required automatic sprinkler >> systems of Section 903 shall be approved by the fire code official. >> Automatic fire-extinguishing systems shall not be considered >> alternatives for the purposes of exceptions or reductions allowed by >> other requirements of this code." >> >> John Drucker Jr CET >> Fire Protection Subcode Official >> Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector >> Borough of Red Bank, NJ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian >> Harris >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:48 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: FM-200 System >> >> >> Is a pre-action system required when an FM-200 system is installed? >> >> Thanks in Advance, >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email >> to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> >> >> >> >> CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY: >> This email message is intended only for the use of the individual or > entity >> to which it is addressed and may contain information that is >> privileged > and >> confidential, nor is it, unless specifically stated, intended to be >> relied upon by any person or persons other than the individual or >> entity named above and no warranties or representations are made or >> intended to persons or entities not named above. 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