For clarification from the 2010 edition, Caps mine: 3.4.1 Antifreeze Sprinkler System. A wet pipe sprinkler system employing automatic sprinklers that are attached to a piping system that contains an antifreeze solution and that are connected to a water supply. The antifreeze solution is discharged, followed by WATER, immediately upon operation of sprinklers opened by heat from a fire.
3.4.10 Wet Pipe Sprinkler System. A sprinkler system employing automatic sprinklers attached to a piping system containing water and connected to a water supply so that WATER discharges immediately from sprinklers opened by heat from a fire. R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis, CET Automatic Fire Sprinklers Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. 318-387-1134 Voice 318-816-1087 Mobile 318-387-1163 Facsimile [email protected] > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins > >Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:10 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: Ant-Freeze Systems > > > >Unless you find ANYTHING in NFPA 13 supporting such an arrangement and > >countering the definition (yes that is a weak place to rely on for not > >doing something but it is quite explicit), I'd go beyond calling it a > >bad idea and say you would be installing a non-conforming system. > > > >Roland > > > >On May 20, 2010, at 8:54 AM, Daniel Merkle wrote: > > > >> I completely agree that it sounds like a bad idea and will do > >> everything that I can to talk the owner out of it. However, I am > >> just trying to figure out if this would even be allowed per code. If > >> the owner persists, I will walk away. > >> > >> Daniel L. Merkle, CET > >> NICET # 118915 > >> Automatic Sprinkler System Layout, Level III > >> "COLONIAL" Fire Protection Systems Inc. > >> 937 Linden Ave. W. > >> E. Rochester, N.Y. 14445 > >> Office-(585) 381-7362 > >> Fax-(585) 381-8263 > >> E-mail - [email protected] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Todd Williams <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 11:48:19 AM > >> Subject: Re: Ant-Freeze Systems > >> > >> The definition of anti-freeze systems in NFPA 13 > >> specifically references it feeding from a wet > >> system. Also, is a sprinkler activates, it dump > >> anti-freeze, then air and finally water. I don't > >> know haw antifreeze would impact water delivery time. Sounds like a > >> bad idea. > >> > >> > >> > >> At 11:40 AM 5/20/2010, you wrote: > >>> He would like to a line off the dry system to feed the anti-freeze. > >>> > >>> Daniel L. Merkle, CET > >>> NICET # 118915 > >>> Automatic Sprinkler System Layout, Level III > >>> "COLONIAL" Fire Protection Systems Inc. > >>> 937 Linden Ave. W. > >>> E. Rochester, N.Y. 14445 > >>> Office-(585) 381-7362 > >>> Fax-(585) 381-8263 > >>> E-mail - [email protected] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Matt Grise <[email protected]> > >>> To: "[email protected]" > ><[email protected] > >>> > > >>> Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 11:16:11 AM > >>> Subject: RE: Ant-Freeze Systems > >>> > >>> So he wants to remove the dry pipe valve and > >>> replace it with an anti-freeze bfp and expansion > >>> tank? Or does he want to take a line off of the > >>> dry system to feed the anti-freeze system (keeping the dry system > >>> in place)? > >>> > >>> Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP > >>> Sales Engineer > >>> Alliance Fire Protection > >>> *Licensed in KS & MO > >>> > >>> 913.888.0647 ph > >>> 913.888.0618 f > >>> 913.927.0222 cell > >>> www. AFPsprink.com > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >>> Daniel Merkle > >>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:05 AM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Ant-Freeze Systems > >>> > >>> Based on the 2002 version of NFPA-13 is there > >>> anything that restricts an anti-freeze system > >>> from being piped off of a dry system? I have an > >>> owner of a building with a relatively small > >>> attic that has a dry system in place that was > >>> not installed properly and he would like to make > >>> this portion of his attic an anti-freeze system > >>> instead of correcting the pitch of the pipes, > >>> etc. Part of the reason for this is that the > >>> existing dry system has dry pendents and if the > >>> pitch is corrected he would be looking at > >>> replacing a lot of them. (BTW this is not my > >>> idea. He got this idea from an engineer/friend of his.) > >>> > >>> Daniel L. Merkle, CET > >>> NICET # 118915 > >>> Automatic Sprinkler System Layout, Level III > >>> "COLONIAL" Fire Protection Systems Inc. > >>> 937 Linden Ave. W. > >>> E. Rochester, N.Y. 14445 > >>> Office-(585) 381-7362 > >>> Fax-(585) 381-8263 > >>> E-mail - [email protected] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >>> > >>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:Sprinklerforum- > >[email protected] > >>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >>> > >>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:Sprinklerforum- > >[email protected] > >>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >>> > >>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:Sprinklerforum- > >[email protected] > >>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >> > >> Todd G. 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