So 2' off the duct and 6'-6" deflector elevation

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Williams [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 9:29 AM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Ceiling pocket

This is the basement of an existing church with a 7'-2" ceiling. I 
really don't want to leave sprinklers hanging in a public space that 
low. Damage is already a concern.



At 10:20 AM 7/2/2010, you wrote:
>Up to max 6" below the duct so max= 18"---- but what is wrong with 12"
>deflector and x" from the side of the duct?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fletcher, Ron [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 9:16 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Ceiling pocket
>
>If the room (hall) is less than 300 sqft it could be classified as panel
>(obstructed) construction and a 22 inch deflector would be okay. Would
>that take care of the problem?
>
>Ron Fletcher
>Aero Automatic
>Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dewayne
>Martinez
>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 7:01 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Ceiling pocket
>
>It doesn't meet the definition provided by 3.3.4, NFPA 13 (10ed) but I
>think it meets the intent of the rule.
>You would think that since the volume of the high area is within the
>limits if what is required to apply the ceiling pocket rule then there
>would not be a significant delay in sprinkler operation for the
>deflector positioned below the soffit.
>But where do you draw the line?  Using my Vulcan logic, one could apply
>this thinking to any small room with a soffit and I do not think this is
>the correct road to follow.
>Dewayne
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd
>Williams
>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:32 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Ceiling pocket
>
>Deflector will be about 14". Duct insulation and at least 1" below to
>get it in the fitting.
>
>
>
>At 09:25 AM 7/2/2010, you wrote:
> >Still on first cup so..
> >
> >What is the prob with 7'-1"? Can the deflector be installed at 12"
>(even
> >with BOD) either as upright or pend?
> >
> >  Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >Matthew J. Willis, CET
> >Automatic Fire Sprinklers
> >Norred Fire Systems L.L.C.
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> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: [email protected]
>[mailto:sprinklerforum-
> > > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
> > > >Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:15 AM
> > > >To: [email protected]
> > > >Subject: Ceiling pocket
> > > >
> > > >I am working on a building with a 9'-3" wide corridor. Along one
>wall
> > > >is a duct 2'-9" wide and 12" deep. The sprinkler piping in this
>space
> > > >will be exposed. My original plan was to run a line along side of
>the
> > > >duct  with sidewalls and put pendent sprinklers under the duct.
> > > >(running along the other wall is not an option.) However, the
>pendent
> > > >sprinklers under the duct will be 7'-1" from the far wall. I was
> > > >looking to see if I could apply the ceiling pocket  section to this
> > > >scenario and eliminate the sidewalls. The total volume of the
>pocket
> > > >is approximately 225 cubic feet. I can't see why this wouldn't
>apply,
> > > >but it seems an odd use of the rule. Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > >Todd G. Williams, PE
> > > >Fire Protection Design/Consulting
> > > >Stonington, CT
> > > >860.535.2080
> > > >www.fpdc.com
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