Then why doesn't NFPA and/or the Building Codes state that? (i.e not
include it in the same section as porte cochere). It would make our
lives easier.
A8.15.7.5 describes "Short-term transient storage" and states that
it should not be considered storage or handing of combustibles. So if
a pallet of goods is put down on a dock while a truck is being loaded
and organized for deliveries, would that be short-term transient
storage? I think the original question was in effect, what
constitutes "short-term"? Legit question. Goes back to my unattended comment.
I know appendix material is not part of the standard, however, it is
quite frequently either incorporated into Code or used for interpretation.
At 08:49 AM 8/30/2010, you wrote:
Exactly. That's why you protect it if its intended use is storage. We're not
the police.
A congregation just moved into their new church we sprinklered after 29
years in their "temporary" sanctuary. Nuff said?
glc
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:37 AM
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Subject: RE: 2010 handling and storage of combustibles
If a pallet touches the ground, it's storage? Difficult to police in real
life.
At 08:26 AM 8/30/2010, you wrote:
>"..not ever stored.." means they are NEVER placed there for any
>reason ever. I have had the pleasure of playing semantics with
>those who will say, "they are STAGED, not stored", when I ask for how
>long, well that depends, might be a few hours, might be a few days. So
>from a personal standpoint, staging, handling, storage are
>all treated as storage. If there is any chance that any
>combustible commodities will be placed within the area for any length
>of time, it's a potential STORAGE area.
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg
>McGahan
>Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:46 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: 2010 handling and storage of combustibles
>
> Can someone please look in the 2010 handbook and tell me what the
>intent of 8.15.7.1, 2 and 5 is? According to the way I read it -
>
>.1 states that all overhangs over 4' wide need protection UNLESS .2,.3
>or .4 are met.
>.2 states that protection can be omitted if the overhang is over 4'
>wide and made of Non-comb material
>.5 states that protection is required if the overhang is OVER 2' wide
>and combustible materials are STORED
>
>Therefore, if you have a noncombustible canopy that is over 4'-0" wide
>where combustibles are loaded and unloaded but not stored then
>protection is not required regardless of the size of the overhang?
>
>So now we could have a canopy that covers thousands of square feet and
>yet materials are not ever "stored" under them and protection is not
>required?
>
>
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