I can only try. Life is short. Have fun. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:31 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > That analogy was disturbing and just plain weird................. > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Specialist > Mechanical Department > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > [email protected] > http://www.ch2m.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:19 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: Hose Demand > > This is kind of how I've always thought this out myself. That the hose > stream allowance was for fighting hotspots with a hose while the > sprinks were on so that would imply a private fire brigade or > something for the fire guys to use while they were getting their gear > hooked up. So if the sprinks did their job the fire guys can steal a > little for overhaul (or pre overhaul if you will) then turn the > sprinks off and use whatever they want to finish the job. If the > sprinks haven't done the job hose allowance is mute since the fire > guys are going to take whatever they want. Say you hang a bunch of > deaf blind guys from the ceiling, tell them to start peeing if you > feel hot and don't stop until somebody taps you on the foot. There's > the automatic sprinkler system. Now a bunch of sighted guys show up > and they all start peeing directly at the fire and moving around as > necessary. If the guys on the ceiling were successful they guys coming > to the party a little late won't need to fill up on as much beer > before they get there than if those other guys weren't there, or ran > out of pee, or felt hot and started peeing but only because the heat > was convected to their position, the fire was elsewhere, and they > couldn't make a good judgement call because they couldn't see or hear > the fire. Oh yeah, if you have enough of these guys you can tell some > of them to ignore the heat but to start screaming if they smell smoke. > I'm too late for this cycle of 13 but the last piece is headed for 72 > as soon as I post this email. There will be details to work out for > ADA compliance. > > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:09 AM, Brad <[email protected]> wrote: >> Brian, >> Once the FD gets there, isn't the Source all outside hose, so to speak? Our >> pump can go back to sleep- (having done or not done its Auto job)- The FD >> brings their own- just this morning they tightened this bolt, loosened that >> gland, squirted some oil somewhere, wiped something down, then tested it >> again. In your existing situation, calc the Auto aspect of the demand, then >> ask the FD if they can live with 84 outside hose (on paper- they will try to >> get whatever they need regardless of what the calc said). Inside FD Hose and >> the Auto Pump? My gear and training permits me to at MOST yell FIRE as I >> scramble to safety. Hopefully now the FM has said 'The city water is looking >> for a boost- the Auto Pump is looking for something to boost... Viola!' Now >> you can talk about Hose. Keep doing what yur doing- when we spell out our >> understanding, backed up with a few numbers, we open ourselves to >> correction, and thereby tend toward correctness :) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brian Harris [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:01 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Hose Demand >> >> Jeff- >> I guess it was just wishful thinking, that's why I was looking for others >> opinions. Thanks for the help. >> >> Brian Harris >> FDFP Inc. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Hewitt >> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:03 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Hose Demand >> >> I don't see where you get relief from the hose allowance. It's all from a >> city source so it has to be accounted for, somewhere. You can only squeeze >> out so much, and if it is not there, it's not there. Not including it means >> not accounting for it, which is not correct in my opinion. >> >> Jeff Hewitt, PE, SET, SFPE (Professional Member) >> Corporate Engineer >> Bi-State Fire Protection Corporation >> >> 241 Hughes Lane >> St. Charles, MO 63301 >> 636-946-0011 >> 636-946-5172 (fax) >> 314-574-6989 (cell) >> >> Fire Sprinklers Save lives. >> Can You Live Without Them? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Harris >> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 3:09 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Hose Demand >> >> This is an addition to an existing building so I can tie the inside hose >> valves to the existing system side and not have them in the calc's for the >> new side. I was hoping that I could eliminate the 250 outside hose. >> >> Brian Harris >> FDFP Inc. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams >> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:02 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Hose Demand >> >> Is there any place on the system to take a hose demand? >> >> >> At 03:54 PM 10/5/2010, you wrote: >>>Is it actually a private separate water supply, or just a private water >> main >>>that is ultimately fed from a public utility source? >>> >>>Jeff Hewitt, PE, SET, SFPE (Professional Member) >>>Corporate Engineer >>>Bi-State Fire Protection Corporation >>> >>>241 Hughes Lane >>>St. Charles, MO 63301 >>>636-946-0011 >>>636-946-5172 (fax) >>>314-574-6989 (cell) >>> >>>Fire Sprinklers Save lives. >>>Can You Live Without Them? >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [email protected] >>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Harris >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:35 PM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Hose Demand >>> >>>If I have a system with a pump that is fed from a private fire main as >>>described in 3.8.1.11 (2007) am I allowed to exclude the hose stream from >>>the calculations per 12.8.2? >>> >>> >>> >>>Brian Harris >>> >>>First Defense Fire Protection >>> >>>11957 Ramah Church Road >>> >>>Huntersville, NC 28078 >>> >>>Phone: 704.948.3506 >>> >>>Fax: 704.948.3507 >>> >>>Nicet # 128476 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>======= >>>Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>>(Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16010) >>>http://www.pctools.com/ >>>======= >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>[email protected] >>>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>> >>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>> >>>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>[email protected] >>>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>> >>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>> >>>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> >> Todd G. 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