Brad, I left Las Vegas in about 1967.
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Brad <[email protected]> wrote: > :) you are not leaving las vegas on us, are you Ron? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Greenman [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:15 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Hose Demand > > I can only try. Life is short. Have fun. > > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:31 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> That analogy was disturbing and just plain weird................. >> >> Craig L. Prahl, CET >> Fire Protection Specialist >> Mechanical Department >> CH2MHILL >> Lockwood Greene >> 1500 International Drive >> Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >> Direct - 864.599.4102 >> Fax - 864.599.8439 >> [email protected] >> http://www.ch2m.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:19 AM >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Hose Demand >> >> This is kind of how I've always thought this out myself. That the hose >> stream allowance was for fighting hotspots with a hose while the >> sprinks were on so that would imply a private fire brigade or >> something for the fire guys to use while they were getting their gear >> hooked up. So if the sprinks did their job the fire guys can steal a >> little for overhaul (or pre overhaul if you will) then turn the >> sprinks off and use whatever they want to finish the job. If the >> sprinks haven't done the job hose allowance is mute since the fire >> guys are going to take whatever they want. Say you hang a bunch of >> deaf blind guys from the ceiling, tell them to start peeing if you >> feel hot and don't stop until somebody taps you on the foot. There's >> the automatic sprinkler system. Now a bunch of sighted guys show up >> and they all start peeing directly at the fire and moving around as >> necessary. If the guys on the ceiling were successful they guys coming >> to the party a little late won't need to fill up on as much beer >> before they get there than if those other guys weren't there, or ran >> out of pee, or felt hot and started peeing but only because the heat >> was convected to their position, the fire was elsewhere, and they >> couldn't make a good judgement call because they couldn't see or hear >> the fire. Oh yeah, if you have enough of these guys you can tell some >> of them to ignore the heat but to start screaming if they smell smoke. >> I'm too late for this cycle of 13 but the last piece is headed for 72 >> as soon as I post this email. There will be details to work out for >> ADA compliance. >> >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:09 AM, Brad <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Brian, >>> Once the FD gets there, isn't the Source all outside hose, so to speak? > Our >>> pump can go back to sleep- (having done or not done its Auto job)- The FD >>> brings their own- just this morning they tightened this bolt, loosened > that >>> gland, squirted some oil somewhere, wiped something down, then tested it >>> again. In your existing situation, calc the Auto aspect of the demand, > then >>> ask the FD if they can live with 84 outside hose (on paper- they will try > to >>> get whatever they need regardless of what the calc said). Inside FD Hose > and >>> the Auto Pump? My gear and training permits me to at MOST yell FIRE as I >>> scramble to safety. Hopefully now the FM has said 'The city water is > looking >>> for a boost- the Auto Pump is looking for something to boost... Viola!' > Now >>> you can talk about Hose. Keep doing what yur doing- when we spell out our >>> understanding, backed up with a few numbers, we open ourselves to >>> correction, and thereby tend toward correctness :) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Brian Harris [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:01 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: Hose Demand >>> >>> Jeff- >>> I guess it was just wishful thinking, that's why I was looking for others >>> opinions. Thanks for the help. >>> >>> Brian Harris >>> FDFP Inc. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff > Hewitt >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:03 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: Hose Demand >>> >>> I don't see where you get relief from the hose allowance. It's all from > a >>> city source so it has to be accounted for, somewhere. You can only > squeeze >>> out so much, and if it is not there, it's not there. Not including it > means >>> not accounting for it, which is not correct in my opinion. >>> >>> Jeff Hewitt, PE, SET, SFPE (Professional Member) >>> Corporate Engineer >>> Bi-State Fire Protection Corporation >>> >>> 241 Hughes Lane >>> St. Charles, MO 63301 >>> 636-946-0011 >>> 636-946-5172 (fax) >>> 314-574-6989 (cell) >>> >>> Fire Sprinklers Save lives. >>> Can You Live Without Them? >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian > Harris >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 3:09 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: Hose Demand >>> >>> This is an addition to an existing building so I can tie the inside hose >>> valves to the existing system side and not have them in the calc's for > the >>> new side. I was hoping that I could eliminate the 250 outside hose. >>> >>> Brian Harris >>> FDFP Inc. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd > Williams >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:02 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: Hose Demand >>> >>> Is there any place on the system to take a hose demand? >>> >>> >>> At 03:54 PM 10/5/2010, you wrote: >>>>Is it actually a private separate water supply, or just a private water >>> main >>>>that is ultimately fed from a public utility source? >>>> >>>>Jeff Hewitt, PE, SET, SFPE (Professional Member) >>>>Corporate Engineer >>>>Bi-State Fire Protection Corporation >>>> >>>>241 Hughes Lane >>>>St. Charles, MO 63301 >>>>636-946-0011 >>>>636-946-5172 (fax) >>>>314-574-6989 (cell) >>>> >>>>Fire Sprinklers Save lives. >>>>Can You Live Without Them? >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: [email protected] >>>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian > Harris >>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:35 PM >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Subject: Hose Demand >>>> >>>>If I have a system with a pump that is fed from a private fire main as >>>>described in 3.8.1.11 (2007) am I allowed to exclude the hose stream from >>>>the calculations per 12.8.2? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Brian Harris >>>> >>>>First Defense Fire Protection >>>> >>>>11957 Ramah Church Road >>>> >>>>Huntersville, NC 28078 >>>> >>>>Phone: 704.948.3506 >>>> >>>>Fax: 704.948.3507 >>>> >>>>Nicet # 128476 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>======= >>>>Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>>>(Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16010) >>>>http://www.pctools.com/ >>>>======= >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>[email protected] >>>>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>> >>>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>>> >>>>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>[email protected] >>>>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>> >>>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>>> >>>>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>> >>> Todd G. 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