In PA we seem to be celebrating burnt baby month, and it will remain a tradition forever the way the tide of the Bought in Harrisburg are moving. Sorry its neither new or exciting, but it sure is real. You'd think between 7 kids dying in one fire alone, and the effects of the disasters in Japan being mitigated by the strict building codes, it would be obvious this week (to those that can see beyond a campaign check) that there is value in having building codes to protect the populace.
Sorry to be so blunt on a Monday AM, but the reality doesn't go away. The irony just makes the pandering for dollars so much more pathetic. glc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing I've grown bored with BAF discussions. Need something new and exciting. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 CH2MHILL Extension 74102 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing Traditionally, March is Big Ass Fans month. glc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing And here's the simplified text from the 2010 commentary which says the same thing as the 2007 commentary. NFPA 13, 2010 -*The storage of materials in stairwells obstructs the egress route and is prohibited by NFPA 101. However, if there is an open space under the first landing or a large landing at the top of the stairs it is often an irresistible location for transient storage. As a result, 8.15.3.2.1 requires sprinklers at these locations." OK so let's find a new topic for this week. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 CH2MHILL Extension 74102 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frans Stoop Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing Craig, Don't be to greedy with the gold stars to that poor engineer or one day you might have to hand over one of your own. The engineer did not take any license, he only quoted the most recent edition of NFPA 13. The word "accessible" might not be in the 2007 edition, but it does show up in the 2010 edition: "8.15.3.2.1 In noncombustible stair shafts having noncombustible stairs with noncombustible or limited-combustible finishes, sprinklers shall be installed at the top of the shaft and under the first accessible landing above the bottom of the shaft." In fact the word "accessible" is the only difference in the wording of this paragraph between the two editions. Met vriendelijke groet / Yours sincerely, Frans Stoop TOS architecture & fire protection Netherlands <[email protected]> Tel. +31-24-324 0112 At 06:39 11-3-2011 -0700, you wrote: >Under the lowest landing due to the possibility of that space being >used for storage. If the space is totally enclosed then there is no >access for storage and no head is required if the stair is >non-combustible. The spec is correct. <sigh> The Engineer has >taken some license on his quote of the 13 section. The word >"accessible" is not in the script. So no gold star for him. > >NFPA 13, 2007 - 8.15.3.2.1 "In noncombustible stair shafts having >noncombustible stairs with noncombustible or limited combustible >finishes, sprinklers shall be installed at the top of the shaft and >under the first landing above the bottom of the shaft." > >Craig L. Prahl, CET >Fire Protection >CH2MHILL >Lockwood Greene >1500 International Drive >Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >Direct - 864.599.4102 >Fax - 864.599.8439 >CH2MHILL Extension 74102 >[email protected] > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cory Power >Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 7:19 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Sprinkler under first accessible landing > >I have an an engineer asking to provide a sprinkler under the first >landing of a non-combustible stairwell. The spec for the job states that >"Sprinkler shall be installed at top of shaft. Space below first landing >is considered concealed, non-accessible, non-combustible, and hence does >not require sprinkler protection." > >he engineer who is reviewing my plans sent me an email stating the >following: > >*8.15.3.2 Noncombustible Construction.* > >*8.15.3.2.1 *In noncombustible stair shafts having noncombustible stairs >with noncombustible or limited-combustible finishes, sprinklers shall be >installed at the top of the shaft and under the first >accessible*landing*above the bottom of the shaft. > >We always took this to mean the sprinklers are required under the first >landing? And by accessible we took this to mean access could be provided >by a access panel.." > >Is this the way I should be interpreting the code? Do I still have to >sprinkler under the landing and make sure there's an access hatch? or >should I be able to omit it like the spec indicates? > >I have been following this forum for a while now. 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