My understanding is that single hydrant tests are not as accurate as double 
hydrant flow tests. You are trying to figure out how much pressure you can get 
from the system when it is discharging a certain amount of water. If you test 
the flowing hydrant, I imagine the pressure would read lower since the water 
would have a pretty high velocity. (just thinking out loud there... I have not 
researched it)

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Smith, Steven D. 
(CSFD)
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Convert pitot to actual residual??

What if a pressure gauge was installed on the other outlet of  the
hydrant from which the water is flowed and pitot reading is taken?

IOW, is it possible to have the test and flow hydrant one in the same?

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vince
Sabolik
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:08 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Convert pitot to actual residual??

Ron,

Ron,

Yeah figured so. I just thought that someone may have had one of those
'rule of thumb' thingys laying around.

Seems to me THAT should be possible, no?

I just wanted this to guestimate the design ahead of doing another test.

BTW, sorry about the double posts. I'm having an argument with me this
morning.



At 10:58 AM 7/22/2011, you wrote:
>Vince,
>
>Since you don't have a residual, which is the left over energy in the
system
>measured in psi at the non-flowing hydrant, while flowing through that
>circular orifice you're screwed and the test has to be re-done. Once
you
>have actual flow and residual you can calculate flow at any residual
>pressure (changes with the size of orifice) or residual at any flow.
>Unfortunately static minus velocity (the pitot reading) doesn't equal
>residual. Life and understanding the world would be so much easier if
it ran
>on magic and religion instead of physics.
>
>Vince Sabolik, West Tech Fire Protection, Inc.
11351 Pearl Road / Strongsville, Ohio 44136       440 
238-4800     Fax 440 238-4876
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