One way I know for certain the gauge and flow hydrant can be the same: Put a Hose Monster on a hose attached to one ear of the hydrant; take your gauge readings from the other ear. You have just created a 'dead-end main' arrangement where the 'end of the main' is at the Hose Monster (or other nozzle). Doing what I described earlier, where you flow out the hydrant butt opposite of the gauge, is essentially the same arrangement but the 'main' is now the length of the threads on the hydrant butt.
The complication comes when you are taking Static readings. You have to do that before flowing out of the hydrant and/or after flowing by capping the hydrant butt used for flow. If forces you to open/close the same hydrant two or three times in one flow test. Mark A. Sornsin, PE | Fire Protection Engineer Ulteig Engineers, Inc. |Fargo, ND Direct: 701. 280.8591 | www.ulteig.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Smith, Steven D. (CSFD) Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Convert pitot to actual residual?? What if a pressure gauge was installed on the other outlet of the hydrant from which the water is flowed and pitot reading is taken? IOW, is it possible to have the test and flow hydrant one in the same? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vince Sabolik Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Convert pitot to actual residual?? Ron, Ron, Yeah figured so. I just thought that someone may have had one of those 'rule of thumb' thingys laying around. Seems to me THAT should be possible, no? I just wanted this to guestimate the design ahead of doing another test. BTW, sorry about the double posts. I'm having an argument with me this morning. At 10:58 AM 7/22/2011, you wrote: >Vince, > >Since you don't have a residual, which is the left over energy in the system >measured in psi at the non-flowing hydrant, while flowing through that >circular orifice you're screwed and the test has to be re-done. Once you >have actual flow and residual you can calculate flow at any residual >pressure (changes with the size of orifice) or residual at any flow. >Unfortunately static minus velocity (the pitot reading) doesn't equal >residual. Life and understanding the world would be so much easier if it ran >on magic and religion instead of physics. > >Vince Sabolik, West Tech Fire Protection, Inc. 11351 Pearl Road / Strongsville, Ohio 44136 440 238-4800 Fax 440 238-4876 ____________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
