NFPA 13, 2007 does define compartments in 3.3.5. I would think in order to meet the 55 sqft or less it would be per compartment. With that being the case I would also think that the thermal barrier would have to be per compartment as well. I am pretty sure the "full height shower/tub enclosure" was part of the 1999 edition and has since been removed (as it is not mentioned in 2002 and 2007). That would mean that you are required to include the sqft of the tub/shower in the total for the bathroom regardless. I would say based on your information that the sink/shower room will require a sprinkler and the toilet room can be omitted, provided you have the thermal barrier all the way around the toilet room.
Eric Tysinger CET NICET III - 108988 Project Manager - Fort Myers Branch Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc. 4683 Laredo Ave. Fort Myers, Florida 33905 p: (239)433-3030 x1240 f: (239)433-3263 C: (239)633-9703 For Fire Alarm Service and Monitoring questions contact us at: [email protected] "Ask us how we can eliminate your Fire Alarm phone line bills" "Ask us about CCTV, Access Control and Security" Thank you, and have a great day ! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: thermal barrier thanks Eric, bathroom in hotel room 13-2007. I have 87 ft2 overall bathroom, broken up into 3 compartments: 24 ft2 shower enclosure floor to wall, 47 ft2 with a sink, and 16 ft2 with toilet. If the thermal barrier is between a bathroom and a non bathroom, I think no sprinklers required, as we have the typical metal stud and gyp walls between these 3 bathrooms and the non-bathroom spaces. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Tysinger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 8:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: thermal barrier I would assume you are referencing NFPA 13R, 2002 edition. In the 2007 edition the requirement for the thermal barrier has been removed. 2002 edition, section 6.8.2 - thermal barrier required. 2007 edition, section 6.9.2 - not required Eric Tysinger CET NICET III - 108988 Project Manager - Fort Myers Branch Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc. 4683 Laredo Ave. Fort Myers, Florida 33905 p: (239)433-3030 x1240 f: (239)433-3263 C: (239)633-9703 For Fire Alarm Service and Monitoring questions contact us at: [email protected] "Ask us how we can eliminate your Fire Alarm phone line bills" "Ask us about CCTV, Access Control and Security" Thank you, and have a great day ! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 9:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: thermal barrier I searched the archives and found: "The thermal barrier is between the bathroom and the adjacent space". The statement was made by Mr. Craig L. Prahl. Craig (or any other helpful forumite), is their a code I can reference to back the statement up? many thanks, Brad Casterline, NICET IV Fire Protection Division FSC, Inc. P: 913-722-3473 [email protected] www.fsc-inc.com Engineering Solutions for the Built Environment -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachment s/20120831/7083ea72/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
