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George L. Church, Jr., CET Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 4:13 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Wet tents drying at 45' Are the tent wet with water only or are there cleaning solutions involved? Are they hung vertically like a shirt or would they be hung by 4 corners, creating an obstruction to discharge? At 03:13 PM 1/2/2013, you wrote: >Tent drying is a separately walled off area with insulated panels and >temperature control. I'm assuming there will be some supports below the BA >Fans (20' circumference) so there's something to hang the tents from. > > >George L. Church, Jr., CET >Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. >PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 >877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax >g...@rowesprinkler.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org >[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Tom Duross >Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 7:25 PM >To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >Subject: RE: Wet tents drying at 45' > >Open floor plan? > >-----Original Message----- >From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org >[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church >Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 3:21 PM >To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >Subject: Re: Wet tents drying at 45' > >Ok. 2007 #13, steel joist noncombustible construction, and qualify someone has >BA Fan interlock off WFS. >Glc > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Dec 31, 2012, at 3:17 PM, "George Church" <g...@rowesprinkler.com> wrote: > >> Here's an unusual one. Tent rental firm, they have a 45' high bay with >> BA >Fans and floor heat and a couple Unit heaters. They hoist them with wires and >spread them out. Separate high piled rack storage outside this area, so fuel >load is just what is hanging. Fire resistant canvass primarily, plus the fun >of the window panels being a non expanded plastic. >> Any ideas? >> Glc >> Rowe Sprinkler >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 28, 2012, at 10:15 PM, "Ron Greenman" <rongreen...@gmail.com> >wrote: >> >>> Well, a flow switch is hardly an alarm check valve. if it will deform >>> in forward flow it will deform in backward flow. It canot therefore >>> be a check or one-way valve as it can't "check" flow in either direction. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo < >>> prodesigngr...@msn.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dude! Show him the pictures in Figure A.8.16.1.1 (2007 edition, >>>> similar in >>>> 2010) It shows above the Alarm Check and the control valve. But then >>>> it also shows BELOW the Alarm Check and BELOW the DPV on a manifold. >>>> You show it "AFTER" a check and "Under" the Alarm valve "just like >>>> the pictures in NFPA 13"!!!! Congrats, you win. >>>> >>>> It should be recognized that the above is my opinion as a member of >>>> the NFPA, and has not been processed as a formal interpretation in >>>> accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee Projects >>>> and should therefore not be considered, nor relied upon, as the >>>> official position of the the NFPA, nor any of their technical >committees. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> >>>> Cecil Bilbo >>>> Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology Champaign, IL >>>> 217.607.0325 >>>> www.sprinkleracademy.com >>>> >>>> ce...@sprinkleracademy.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> OUR STUDENTS SAVE LIVES!! >>>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:57:21 -0500 >>>>> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >>>>> From: t...@fpdc.com >>>>> Subject: RE: FDC location with riser manifold >>>>> >>>>> That has basically been my argument. However, how do I convince him >>>>> that >>>> a riser manifold is not an alarm valve? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At 12:59 PM 12/28/2012, you wrote: >>>>>> 2013 edition >>>>>> 8.16.1.1.3.2 A listed backflow prevention device shall be >considered >>>> a check valve, and an additional check valve shall not be required. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your FDC is on the system side of the backflow/check valve. >>>>>> >>>>>> Duane Johnson, PE >>>>>> Program Manager >>>>>> Division of the Fire Marshal (Contractor) Office of Research >>>>>> Services National Institutes of Health >>>>>> 301-496-0487 >>>>>> >>>>>> "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Todd Williams [mailto:t...@fpdc.com] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:32 PM >>>>>> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >>>>>> Subject: FDC location with riser manifold >>>>>> >>>>>> I had an AHJ come back with a comment regarding a location of an >>>>>> FDC on >>>> a system I designed. The system has a single riser. The water main >>>> comes into the building approximately 1'-6" AFF. An elbow is >>>> installed and the backflow preventer is running horizontally >>>> parallel to >the outside wall. >>>> The main turns vertical after the BFP and rises up at a riser >>>> manifold (not >>>> check) and on to the system. After the BFP, I called for a Tee with >>>> one outlet looking up and the other horizontal to the check and FDC. >>>> For design reasons, this has a significant advantage. The AHJ's >>>> contention is that the BFP needs to be taken off above the manifold >>>> because "that is what is says in NFPA 13". Section 8.16.2.4.2 (1) >>>> states it shall be installed "on the system side of the system >>>> control, check and alarm valves." His contention is that it says a >>>> riser manifold is an alarm valve, which requires the FDC to be taken >>>> off above. My contention is that since it is not a check valve, then >>>> it doesn't make a d >>>>> i >>>>>> fference if it is above or below. The AHJ is an NFPA 13 >>>> fundamentalist and if it is not in there, it isn't the truth. Thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> Todd G. Williams, PE >>>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting >>>>>> Stonington, CT >>>>>> 860.535.2080 >>>>>> www.fpdc.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>>> Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >>>>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>>> Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >>>>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>>> >>>>> Todd G. 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