We do a ton of hospitals and I always call for the ambulance bays to be protected. It's not necessarily a quick drop off and go like a porte-cochere, often the ambulance will stay until their next call. Additionally, many hospitals have disaster plans that call for the ambulance bays to be used as decontamination areas.
Jack Fairchild -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 5:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Heat trace question Okay, corollary question: what is the consensus opinion on ambulance ports - is that a canopy such as a porte-cochere that does not require sprinklers? Or would the use as a staging and transit space for very compromised people be a compelling reason to sprinkler? This particular space is a nightmare to pipe and protect as it's subject to freezing AND is actually two canopies of different heights separated by about 2.5 ft. of air space between them ... Steve L. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 12:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Heat trace question You won't be able to change the mind of that ahem agency I'm sure but why are they opposed to an auxiliary dry system that is specifically allowed in 13/2013-7.1.3? On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]>wrote: > These are two isolated areas at a hospital - one over some outdoor > seating at the dining common and the other a canopy that covers trash > enclosures and a couple of service enclosures. Both are a couple > hundred feet from the service entry and if we built a dry riser there, > we don't have enough room to slope the long run of main to the protected > spaces. The AHJ is one of those state agencies that has <ahem> > interpreted the standard liberally, and they don't want any dry system > that may be downstream of the riser room no matter how it's > configured, so I'm thinking that trace may be an alternative to the > auxiliary drainage and maintenance issues associated with dry-pipe in > this particular application. > > Steve > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Bobby Gillett > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 12:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Heat trace question > > Steve, > > I had priced a system about two years ago and learned a lot. I found > the Tyco Raychem system was the best for my scenario; a lot of factors > go in to it - depends on size of piping and length, how much (if any) > insulation will be used, temperatures, and don't forget it has to be > listed for FP and supervised per NFPA 13. We had a local Tyco > distributor work up the pricing > - we gave him our plans and he took it off and priced it. I'm glad he > did. > I would have missed a lot - this was a big system in a 100'-0+ tower > w/standpipes etc.. It ended up needing two panels for supervisory due > to the length of the cables, etc. > > Bobby > > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Steve Leyton > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Help a warm weather brother out please, with recommendations for heat > > trace systems. Price, reliability, branch line listings? > > > > > > > > Steve Leyton > > > > PROTECTION DESIGN & CONSULTING > > > > 2851 Camino del Rio South, Suite 400 > > > > San Diego, CA 92108 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Ph: 858.751.2930 - ext. 102 > > > > Fax: 858.751.2933 > > > > Cell: 619.972.5696 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin > > kl > > er.org > > > > > > -- > Bobby Gillett > *Living Water Fire Protection, LLC* > 1160 McKenzie Rd. > Cantonment, FL 32533 > (850) 937-1850 > livingwaterfp.com <http://livingwaterfp.com/> > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er > .org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler .org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
