Et al, Unless the ceiling height is not more than say 15ft such that you cannot store the mattress more than one level high on end like books in a book shelf, 13 is not reliable for what you are talking about. If all you are talking about is a retail show room like a furniture store where you go and lay down to test them out etc. then 13 is probably adequate. If you are doing anything that even begins to look like storage, especially racks, then you need to get an FPE involved. If you are bidding, then qualify your bid that it is based on single level of storage and make the owner provide an "Owners Certificate" as required in 13. 13 does not apply to mattresses stored in racks more than one level high!
Steven Scandaliato, SET CFPS 520.971.2322 Cell -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:32 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: Sleep on it! See 3.9 for storage definitions including 3.9.1.14 for miscellaneous storage. Look also at 5.3 definitions of OH. And then look at 12.1 and 13.2. For the lower storage heights you are referring, you will likely end up with the same (or very, very similar) requirements no matter which decision tree you follow. Of course, you need to follow the appropriate tree(s). Duane Johnson, PE Program Manager Division of the Fire Marshal (Contractor) Office of Research Services National Institutes of Health 301-496-0487 "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" -----Original Message----- From: Greg McGahan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Sleep on it! I agree - however - I disagree. I have been told on more than one occasion by an AHJ that if it enters a space and rests for 2 seconds, it is stored.......So I wish there was a formal definition of the word "Storage". I do know that in retails stores where the commodities sit in one place for months or years, they are stored there. Without a definitive word from 13, I have been at the mercy of the AHJ's interpretation and just do not want to get burned again. We just did a Mrecantile remodel where they added racks against a wall with rolled carpet and vinyl for sale on them - the AHJ considered that rack storage and I can't disagree because IF a fire broke out the, fire would not care if it was mercantile or storage. I know it may costs us work but ... Greg On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] < [email protected]> wrote: > Not necessarily conflicting. > > Mercantile areas can be OH2. > > Storage areas are per the storage chapters. Mattresses are Class III > and Group A. After going through the decision trees based on storage > arrangement, heights, etc., you can end up back to OH2. > > Duane Johnson, PE > Program Manager > Division of the Fire Marshal (Contractor) Office of Research Services > National Institutes of Health > 301-496-0487 > > "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vince Sabolik [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:19 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Sleep on it! > > Good morning, and time's up and the answers are as conflicted as I thought. > > Being less than 12 ft I suppose ORD II would fit, but knowing what > these are made of .... > > At 05:58 PM 8/12/2013, you wrote: > >Hey forum -- > > > >Has anyone done a design for a small retail mattress store? > > > >Would Class III, Group A really apply? Not really storage... > > > >Thanks! > > > >Vince Sabolik, West Tech Fire Protection, Inc. > >11351 Pearl Road / Strongsville, Ohio 44136 440 > >238-4800 Fax 440 238-4876 > >____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sprinklerforum mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink > >le > >r.org > > Vince Sabolik, West Tech Fire Protection, Inc. > 11351 Pearl Road / Strongsville, Ohio 44136 440 > 238-4800 Fax 440 238-4876 > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > -- Greg McGahan Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> 1160 McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 fax 850-937-1852 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
