8.6.5.3.4 Sprinklers shall not be required below obstructions that are not fixed in place..(such as cars)
I think the Japanese have done some testing on car parks...in lighter weight steel structured buildings. Resulted in building collapse without sprinkler protection. When you pack and stack, the fire is significantly greater, but how do we quantify without testing to determine a required delivered density? No answers, just questions. Dwight ________________________________ From: "Cahill, Christopher" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 3:04 PM Subject: RE: Car Stacker in parking garage That's a little unfair. AHJ are not EOR's, NICET... You have to bring them a plan. It's at least an obstruction over 4' wide. There is no test data showing otherwise. Seems straight forward to me, either provide sprinklers underneath or engage a PE (FPE) to develop an alternate. AHJ can tell you they don't require but that sure doesn't help in a claim as we've spoke about many times here. Chris Cahill, PE* Senior Fire Protection Engineer, Aviation & Facilities Group Burns & McDonnell 8201 Norman Center Drive Bloomington, MN 55437 Phone: 952.656.3652 Fax: 952.229.2923 [email protected] www.burnsmcd.com Proud to be one of FORTUNE's 100 Best Companies to Work For *Registered in: MN -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steven Scandaliato Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 1:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Car Stacker in parking garage Ditto...call the AHJ and ask them what they want. Steven Scandaliato, SET CFPS 520.971.2322 Cell -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Car Stacker in parking garage I wish I had a pat answer for you, but it's going to vary from AHJ to AHJ. This has been a topic of conversation on FPO chat forums here. SML -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE:Car Stacker in parking garage Steve, or anyone, We are looking at a parking garage with a double stacker in the Golden State. I remember this topic making the rounds on the forum, but I don't recall the outcome. Are there any additional fire protection requirements, or just one level at the ceiling at .15. Also, just for context, the parking is in a fully enclosed basement of a 6 story (non-hi-rise) independent living facility. Thanks Mark at Aero _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler .org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
