Any contract I ever had always had a clause as to who (the actual person) and who that person was expertise wise (title, agency, etc.) provided the water data and on what date, with an exclusionary clause that I wasn't responsible for it's accuracy, that all plans and calculations were based on that data and I wasn't responsible if actual field conditions, something I had never had any control over, were inadequate, and finally, that I wasn't the guy to come looking for to pay to fix the problem, whether it took a re-design as simple as bumping up a pipe size or two, to adding a tank and pump. In this day when and age when the GC puts into his contract that the sprinklie has to pay for a structural to calc the building and then pay if it needs to be strengthened you'd better CYA on anything that that you can't control. The first exclusion ZI ever put in was that I wasn't responsible for a backflow unless I said I was as a line item, and that I expected the jobsite to be ready for me when I was called to come out or it'd cost you.
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote: > My big question is were the pipe sizes (other than pipe schedule) included > in the sprinkler drawings? If the EOR did hydraulic calculations, > determined pipe sizes and they were not adequate based on field conditions, > then you may have an argument. Other than that, you may not have much to go > on. > > Qualifying a water supply should always be included in a bid. Not having > enough water regardless of the pipe sizing is a whole other matter. > > Todd G Williams, PE > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > www.fpdc.com > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Steve Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > At what point does anyone think the owner/general contractor should be > > liable for a change order for the increased pipe size due to lack of > > adequate water for the calculations of the sprinkler system? > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
