Even without the balcony, won't you have a roof overhang above the dumpster? I'm curious to know why you're sprinklering below the balcony. was it your judgement or request from EOR?
Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer Design, LLC" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 12:53:34 PM Subject: RE: Garbage Enclosure Tony, as an owner or EoR, you certainly could request it, but since there is no roof/canopy above it, NFPA 13 doesn't require sprinklers. I'm currently working on a 5-story commercial building that has a dumpster enclosure (no roof) immediately adjacent to the 1st floor exterior wall. There just happens to be a noncombustible balcony located over the dumpster on the 4th floor. Bottom of this balcony is 41' above grade. Looks like I'll be sprinklering beneath this balcony, though I question how much value it adds. Ed Kramer Lawrence, KS -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony Silva Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Garbage Enclosure Ron, exactly. It is a dumpster pushed up against the building wall. In this case two walls due to the way the wall jogs in an "L" shape. My concern is 13 requires sprinklering of roofs and canopies where combustibles are stored or handled (NFPA 13, 2002 section 8.14.7.4). Won't the intent cover this situation also? No, the location of the dumpster can't be changed. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 7:50:30 AM Subject: Re: Garbage Enclosure Sounds like a fence surrounding a dumpster pushed up against the side of the building on three sides to me. Is it a threat? Fire in a container against a concrete wall? Under the intake air opening at the combustible dust factory? Death penalty law for burning any garbage, even by accident. Seriously, what can be damaged, what exposure threat is there to neighboring properties, how would you detect it and at what cost sans roof, any rules requiring it (I know, that's the question you're asking Tony), can you moc=ve the actual hazard a few feet away, etc.? On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM, A.P.Silva <[email protected]> wrote: > An office building (NFPA 13) has a garbage enclosure outside the > building, but attached to it. The garbage enclosure has no access from > the building It is fenced with gates from outside and does not have a > roof.As it is attached to the building, is it required to be > sprinklered? > > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
