I really like this one.
8.15.7.5* ('13) Sprinklers shall be installed under exterior projections
greater than 2 ft (0.6 m) wide over areas where combustibles are stored.
Had a project with a 3'-11" noncombustible canopy attached to a 48' high 8.5"
thick concrete tilt panel wall. The canopy is to keep rain off the doors used
by truck trailers at a very large distribution center. The AHJ and an
interpretation from AFSA said it had to be sprinklered. No exterior unloading
or handling, no exterior storage and no truck dock, only sky above the canopy.
If the canopy wasn't there would be no sprinklers. We had to install about 100
heads to protect a noncombustible canopy from the last 3'-11" of a semitrailer.
Ron F
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Kramer
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 5:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Garbage Enclosure
If it weren't for the balcony, there would be nothing but stars above the
dumpster. The balcony is the 'roof'. I've contacted the AHJ to get his
opinion.
Ed Kramer
Lawrence, KS
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony Silva
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 6:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Garbage Enclosure
Even without the balcony, won't you have a roof overhang above the dumpster?
I'm curious to know why you're sprinklering below the balcony. was it your
judgement or request from EOR?
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kramer Design, LLC" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 12:53:34 PM
Subject: RE: Garbage Enclosure
Tony, as an owner or EoR, you certainly could request it, but since there is no
roof/canopy above it, NFPA 13 doesn't require sprinklers.
I'm currently working on a 5-story commercial building that has a dumpster
enclosure (no roof) immediately adjacent to the 1st floor exterior wall.
There just happens to be a noncombustible balcony located over the dumpster on
the 4th floor. Bottom of this balcony is 41' above grade. Looks like I'll be
sprinklering beneath this balcony, though I question how much value it adds.
Ed Kramer
Lawrence, KS
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony Silva
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Garbage Enclosure
Ron, exactly. It is a dumpster pushed up against the building wall. In this
case two walls due to the way the wall jogs in an "L" shape. My concern is
13 requires sprinklering of roofs and canopies where combustibles are stored or
handled (NFPA 13, 2002 section 8.14.7.4). Won't the intent cover this situation
also? No, the location of the dumpster can't be changed.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "rongreenman ." <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 7:50:30 AM
Subject: Re: Garbage Enclosure
Sounds like a fence surrounding a dumpster pushed up against the side of the
building on three sides to me. Is it a threat? Fire in a container against a
concrete wall? Under the intake air opening at the combustible dust factory?
Death penalty law for burning any garbage, even by accident.
Seriously, what can be damaged, what exposure threat is there to neighboring
properties, how would you detect it and at what cost sans roof, any rules
requiring it (I know, that's the question you're asking Tony), can you moc=ve
the actual hazard a few feet away, etc.?
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM, A.P.Silva <[email protected]> wrote:
> An office building (NFPA 13) has a garbage enclosure outside the
> building, but attached to it. The garbage enclosure has no access from
> the building It is fenced with gates from outside and does not have a
> roof.As it is attached to the building, is it required to be
> sprinklered?
>
> Tony
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