Thanks for the feedback do far.  I  am gaining a better understanding of it...
  A surgery room in a hospital where it appears most of the pipes above the 
ceiling are bonded or grounded with wire attached to a clamp attached to the 
pipe back to an elec panel in the wall of the same room...  Is this allowed?

Columbus Automatic Sprinkler, Brandon Hunsinger
706 358 2535


> On Dec 5, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "John Drucker" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hence why some in the electrical sphere of influencing want to change
> the term to "earthing" here in the colonies, yep earthing.
> 
> Article 250 of the NEC is most likely the most misunderstood section of
> the code, guess that's why guys like soares, iaei and the like publish
> books 3/4" thick on the topic, add in Ufer grounds (concrete encased
> electrodes), csst bonds (gas tubing) , isolated grounds (the orange
> receptacles) with a sprinkle of derived sources (generators that break
> the neutral on transfer) and finished with fault currents (what it takes
> to open the breaker) and heads start a spinning, reminiscent of the
> engineer of the silver strings submarine band who smashes all the fuses
> in the panelboard with a hammer.
> 
> But in a nutshell;
> 
> Bonding = Connect all (which includes pipes) the different metal stuff
> together with straps, screws, bolts, fittings or jumpers.  The whole
> idea is that if an energized conductor (hot wire) makes contact with the
> metal stuff sufficient current (fault current) will flow back to the
> (source) panelboard overcurrent device (fuse or circuit breaker) and
> trip it deenergizing the circuit instantly.
> 
> Grounding = Connect it to earth.  Typical DIP Fire Service undergrounds
> DO NOT COUNT as a grounding electrode pursuant to the NEC which clearly
> defines them and DIP isn't one (please don't anyone make the mistake of
> one of our tired posters and ask about PVC and CPVC).  A sharp
> electrical inspector will say hey it looks good but it doesn't count.
> The idea here is to provide a reference to stabilize voltage and provide
> a bleed path for lightning.   In order to do that the pipe metal MUST be
> in DIRECT contact with earth and the DIP coating prevents that.
> 
> Hope that helps,  happy electrons to all.
> 
> John
> 
> John Drucker, CET
> Assistant Construction Official
> Fire Protection Subcode Official
> Building/Fire/Electrical Inspector
> Borough of Red Bank, New Jersey
> Office: 732-530-2760 X 331
> Cell/Text: 732-904-6823
> Email: [email protected]
> http://www.redbanknj.org
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> Taylor, Galen
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 4:32 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Grounding
> 
> Think about ... grounding is a term used for "earth" on old electrical
> diagrams. An electrical system is not "grounded" unless it goes to
> earth. And if you're talking about fire sprinkler piping, it's not
> permitted to be used for electrical grounding.
> 
> Galen Taylor
> County of Los Angeles Fire Department
> Fire Prevention Engineering
> 323-890-4339
> [email protected]
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> Brandon Hunsinger
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:22 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Grounding
> 
> Can aboveground piping be used for grounding or bonding electrical
> systems. I see where underground pipe can be used for bonding but not
> grounding...
> 
> Columbus Automatic Sprinkler, Brandon Hunsinger
> 706 358 2535
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