Depends. Where does that wire terminate in the sub-panel? If I'm not
mistaken the terminal bar for a bond must be bonded to the panel and the
terminal bar for a ground must be isolated except in the main panel(s).


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Brandon Hunsinger <
[email protected]> wrote:

>   Thanks for the feedback do far.  I  am gaining a better understanding of
> it...
>   A surgery room in a hospital where it appears most of the pipes above
> the ceiling are bonded or grounded with wire attached to a clamp attached
> to the pipe back to an elec panel in the wall of the same room...  Is this
> allowed?
>
> Columbus Automatic Sprinkler, Brandon Hunsinger
> 706 358 2535
>
>
> > On Dec 5, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "John Drucker" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hence why some in the electrical sphere of influencing want to change
> > the term to "earthing" here in the colonies, yep earthing.
> >
> > Article 250 of the NEC is most likely the most misunderstood section of
> > the code, guess that's why guys like soares, iaei and the like publish
> > books 3/4" thick on the topic, add in Ufer grounds (concrete encased
> > electrodes), csst bonds (gas tubing) , isolated grounds (the orange
> > receptacles) with a sprinkle of derived sources (generators that break
> > the neutral on transfer) and finished with fault currents (what it takes
> > to open the breaker) and heads start a spinning, reminiscent of the
> > engineer of the silver strings submarine band who smashes all the fuses
> > in the panelboard with a hammer.
> >
> > But in a nutshell;
> >
> > Bonding = Connect all (which includes pipes) the different metal stuff
> > together with straps, screws, bolts, fittings or jumpers.  The whole
> > idea is that if an energized conductor (hot wire) makes contact with the
> > metal stuff sufficient current (fault current) will flow back to the
> > (source) panelboard overcurrent device (fuse or circuit breaker) and
> > trip it deenergizing the circuit instantly.
> >
> > Grounding = Connect it to earth.  Typical DIP Fire Service undergrounds
> > DO NOT COUNT as a grounding electrode pursuant to the NEC which clearly
> > defines them and DIP isn't one (please don't anyone make the mistake of
> > one of our tired posters and ask about PVC and CPVC).  A sharp
> > electrical inspector will say hey it looks good but it doesn't count.
> > The idea here is to provide a reference to stabilize voltage and provide
> > a bleed path for lightning.   In order to do that the pipe metal MUST be
> > in DIRECT contact with earth and the DIP coating prevents that.
> >
> > Hope that helps,  happy electrons to all.
> >
> > John
> >
> > John Drucker, CET
> > Assistant Construction Official
> > Fire Protection Subcode Official
> > Building/Fire/Electrical Inspector
> > Borough of Red Bank, New Jersey
> > Office: 732-530-2760 X 331
> > Cell/Text: 732-904-6823
> > Email: [email protected]
> > http://www.redbanknj.org
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> > Taylor, Galen
> > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 4:32 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: Grounding
> >
> > Think about ... grounding is a term used for "earth" on old electrical
> > diagrams. An electrical system is not "grounded" unless it goes to
> > earth. And if you're talking about fire sprinkler piping, it's not
> > permitted to be used for electrical grounding.
> >
> > Galen Taylor
> > County of Los Angeles Fire Department
> > Fire Prevention Engineering
> > 323-890-4339
> > [email protected]
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> > Brandon Hunsinger
> > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:22 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Grounding
> >
> > Can aboveground piping be used for grounding or bonding electrical
> > systems. I see where underground pipe can be used for bonding but not
> > grounding...
> >
> > Columbus Automatic Sprinkler, Brandon Hunsinger
> > 706 358 2535
> >
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