Byron, The system is supposed to hold the building up. And as I've seen in some contracts the sprinkie contractor is supposed to pay for the engineering and any improvements to the building required by the bracing. This saves the owner and the general contractor a lot of money.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Byron Weisz <by...@cen-calfire.com> wrote: > Here on the left coast we are required to earthquake brace so when the > building falls down the fire sprinkler system will still be in the air and > fully operational. > > Byron Weisz > > Cen-Cal Fire Systems, Inc. > 1615 So. Stockton St. > Lodi, CA. 95240 > Ph. (209) 334-9119 > Fax (209) 334-2923 > by...@cen-calfire.com > > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and/or > confidential. If you are not the intended recipient any use, dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this communication and attachments is strictly > prohibited. Thank you. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve > Mackinnon > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:10 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: EQ Bracing > > Thank you guys for chiming in. > > I always thought sway bracing was the wire/cable stuff and seismic was the > rigid type... > > Mind us in New York, we're always behind the rest of the world! NFPA 13, > 2002 strong!! lol > > Steven MacKinnon > Fire Protection Division > Hartcorn Plumbing and Heating, Inc. > 850 South Second Street > Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 > Office 631-580-2300 Fax - 631-580-1090 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of rongreenman . > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:43 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: EQ Bracing > > I can't recall ever using drive screws on bracing, only hanging, and > always two. Lag screws are acceptable under certain conditions (wood member > greater than 12" wide) for bracing but have special installation > requirements. > > Steve M. We always called that 40/80 rule that Forest described as sway > bracing. NFPA stills calls calculated bracing sway bracing, but old brain I > have, I just call the new stuff seismic bracing and the old method sway > bracing to keep it straight. > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Steve Leyton > <st...@protectiondesign.com>wrote: > > > Drive screws? Lags are no longer allowed because they pull out. Drive > > screws are ... negligent, arguably. > > > > Forest - all I can say about your spacing template is that it's five > > editions old and any BO that accepts it isn't doing the due diligence. > > > > Steve Leyton > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: rfletc...@aerofire.com > > Date:12/11/2013 10:16 AM (GMT-08:00) > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > Subject: RE: EQ Bracing > > > > We have jurisdictions in AZ that require what we call "feel good > > bracing". No calc's required, use drive screws to attach brace from 8" > > pipe to wood 2x6 at the roof. A little different from the hoops we > > jump through for OSHPAD in CA. > > Ron F > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve > > Mackinnon > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:55 AM > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > Subject: RE: EQ Bracing > > > > What is the difference? > > > > Steven MacKinnon > > Fire Protection Division > > Hartcorn Plumbing and Heating, Inc. > > 850 South Second Street > > Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 > > Office 631-580-2300 Fax - 631-580-1090 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > rongreenman . > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:47 PM > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > Subject: Re: EQ Bracing > > > > That doesn't work in seismic zones Forest. That's sway bracing, not > > seismic bracing. > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler > > Contractor < forest_wil...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > Keep simple? > > > 4 way every change of direction. > > > Longitudinal every 80. > > > Latitudes every 40. > > > Flexible couplings top and bottom of riser. > > > > > > These guidelines will satisfy most building departments. > > > Some will want calculations etc. > > > > > > > > > Forest Wilson > > > Fire Sprinkler Contractor > > > 937-736-0425 > > > > > > Notice: > > > This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise > > > protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have > > > received it by mistake, please let us know by e-mail reply and > > > delete it from your system; you may not copy this message or > > > disclose its contents to anyone. 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