First of all there has to be an EoR in the first place. Today you get a lot of 
stuff that is design-build because no one wants to take responsibility. The 
project ends up being "specified" by the estimator when he figures the job and 
the it is designed by a Nicet designer. If the designer does not have a state 
license, then the former septic system engineer-turned baptist minister (actual 
case here in CT) stamps it. So who is ultimately responsible? 

Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080
www.fpdc.com


> On Feb 19, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Steven Scandaliato <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> I was going to say that since that is my largest soap box!...but I did not
> want to dominate the conversation.  Perfect suggestion...!  lmao
> 
> Steven Scandaliato, SET CFPS
> 520.971.2322 Cell
> Skype: steven.scandaliato
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed
> Kramer
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 1:16 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 100 PSI requirement at top of Standpipe
> 
> I'd like to suggest one change:  "Chapter 3 - The EOR shall do chapter 1 and
> chapter 2 and create bid documents accordingly before the project goes out
> for bids."
> 
> Every bidding fire protection contractor shouldn't have to track down that
> info and the local AHJ shouldn't have to answer the same questions over &
> over & over. 
> 
> Ed Kramer
> Lawrence, KS
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steven
> Scandaliato
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 1:01 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 100 PSI requirement at top of Standpipe
> 
> Bingo....the title for NFPA 14 should be changed to "Standard for the
> Installation of Standpipe Systems"....Chapter 1 - Call the guy who is going
> to fight the fire and ask him what he wants".  Chapter 2 - "don't argue with
> the guy who is fighting the fire; rather give him what he is asking for".
> Chapter 3 - Do chapter 1 and chapter 2 BEFORE you bid the job.
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