Brad, You had me going for a minute there! It is such a thick book and sometimes I think there must be stuff like that in it.
But yes, that is how I look at it. Just tell me how to put the heads in and cut me loose. I'll bring it in under hours and do it right too! My girlfriend says it is the same for her. 'Gimme the rules, I'll design it and get the list to you. It'll fit!' We make a good team! Tony P On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]>wrote: > It's not in there because it is "Installation of Sprinkler Systems" not > "Theory..." > > > On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Tony Palmero <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Brad, What the hell are you talking about? > > > > My girlfriend says that there is nothing about moving heat in NFPA 13, > and > > I sure couldn't find nothing. > > > > Tony P > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Brad Casterline > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> One more thing Anthony, if the head is under this moving heat, it will > not > >> activate in those critical 10 to 15 minutes it takes the Heros to get > >> there, so they are useless as a pool cue hard on both ends but soft in > the > >> middle. > >> > >>> On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Brad Casterline <[email protected] > > > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Sal, I believe years ago, for a very brief time, Potter-Roemer had a > >> listed heat collector. I called them Dust Pans. > >>> Tony, for 30 years I was a designer for contractors and the last 10 I > >> have worked for a Consulting Firm. I desperately miss the smell of warm > >> cutting oil on smoke breaks out in the shop. Instead of heat collecting > >> around a head, picture it moving across a head. > >>> Cecil, I think I see what you did there. No question or request for > more > >> details-- I simply thought you would appreciate the results I got from > >> modeling my question of myself "which activates faster, a 155 SR or a > 200 > >> QR? if I used Dr. Floyd's excellent set-up instead of my own. I had > gotten > >> the same result using my own- 155 SR wins, but I had more confidence in > the > >> results using Jason's set-up. > >>> > >>>> On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Tony Palmero <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, Mr. Izzo. THAT's what I was askin'. It seems like maybe I DO > >>>> understand. I appreciate that. > >>>> > >>>> Tony > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Tony Palmero < > [email protected] > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Yo, Bradley! > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks for the explaination. But to be honest, I didn't understand > >> none > >>>>> of that. What I think I heard you say was that sprinklers at the > >> ceiling > >>>>> is enuff to make the heads work right. Am i correct over here? > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't know how you have the time to design sprinkler systems AND do > >>>>> tests for sprinklers and jet engines. I can barely make it in time > >> to > >>>>> the elementary school to run the lights after puttin away the > threadin > >>>>> machine. Do yous guys need any fitters? I think I could really > learn > >> alot > >>>>> about something that has nothing to do with sprinklers over there and > >> that > >>>>> would be a nice break. ya know? > >>>>> > >>>>> sencerely, > >>>>> > >>>>> Anthony S. Palmero > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Brad Casterline < > >> [email protected]>wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Tony, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I spent some time figuring out why heat collectors did not work and > >> came > >>>>>> up with: > >>>>>> They are installed horizontal, parallel to the floor and 'ceiling > >> jet'. > >>>>>> If they were vertical, like a 'baffle', with the head ~6" below and > >> from > >>>>>> center they would work, but we would call them heat director. > >>>>>> For years I imagined the heat rising, banking straight down off the > >> roof > >>>>>> deck and when it finally filled the 12" distance to the head it > would > >> pop. > >>>>>> But if that is what is happening, the emergency is not in that > area-- > >> the > >>>>>> emergency is where the ~200 degree air is moving horizontally across > >> the > >>>>>> head at 5 to 10 feet/second. We would need 2 'baffles', in a "+" > >> shape, to > >>>>>> account for the direction the jet is moving when it gets to the > >>>>>> head/director. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Brad Casterline, SET > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Warning: I am a good example of the 'bad' posters Greg mentioned. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Greg McGahan <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tony, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> He was being sincere and you are incorrect. The "heat collectors" > can > >>>>>> delay > >>>>>>> the operation of a head from what I have learned not only on the > >> forum > >>>>>> but > >>>>>>> also from other sources...The fire marshall is falling for one of > the > >>>>>>> classic blunders.....the other being never start a land war in > >>>>>> Asia...(that > >>>>>>> was a joke) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I am silent much of the time on this forum but you quickly get a > feel > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>> who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. I > >> tend to > >>>>>>> listen to to RG. You seem sincere and curious, good for you. I > would > >> be > >>>>>>> careful who I listen to. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Just my two cents worth...... > >>>>>>> Greg > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Greg McGahan > >>>>>>> Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> > >>>>>>> 1160 McKenzie Road > >>>>>>> Cantonment, FL 32533 > >>>>>>> 850-937-1850 > >>>>>>> fax 850-937-1852 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Tony Palmero < > >> [email protected] > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dr. Greenman, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I had a fire marshal make me put dem on sprinklers before. Since > I > >>>>>> don't > >>>>>>>> really know much about fire dynamicks (isn't dat what yous guys > call > >>>>>> it?), > >>>>>>>> I always thought the pie pans made hot air go to the head faster. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Tony Palmero > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Steve Leyton > >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Okay, giant oops there. Inside joke, meant to send that to Ron > >> only. > >>>>>> Memo > >>>>>>>>> to self - don't use phone for email. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- > >>>>>>>>> From: Steve Leyton <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>> Date:03/22/2014 9:01 PM (GMT-08:00) > >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Quick response > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> What kinda fuckstick dreamed THAT shit up? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- > >>>>>>>>> From: "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>> Date:03/22/2014 8:57 PM (GMT-08:00) > >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Quick response > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I was thinking Tony. So-called "heat collectors" have been known > to > >>>>>> slow > >>>>>>>>> the response of sprinkler heads by forming an aerodynamic > phenomena > >>>>>>>> whereby > >>>>>>>>> the head is actually protected from the heat reaching it due to a > >>>>>> pocket > >>>>>>>>> stagnant air that surrounds the head and deflects much of the > >>>>>> convected > >>>>>>>>> heat. perhaps putting pie pans over the heads would help. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Tony Palmero < > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Dr Greenman! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes, the lights are hot. Sitting in that stupid chair makes me > >>>>>> sweat a > >>>>>>>>>> lot. I have to be careful not to drip on the other parents > below. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Someday it would be great to try running lights in Hollywood! > But > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> now, > >>>>>>>>>> it'll have to be only at Spring Concerts at night and hanging > >>>>>> sprinkler > >>>>>>>>>> pipe during the day. Do the Hollywood studios have fitters on > the > >>>>>>>>> payroll? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Tony Palmero > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:37 PM, rongreenman . < > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> How about an empirical answer. If these lights are similar to > >> those > >>>>>>>>> used > >>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>> movie production the answer is yes. Has happened a lot. I was > >> only > >>>>>>>>>> involved > >>>>>>>>>>> with one movie, but I was involved because they decided they > >> needed > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>> sprinkler guy because they'd had several discharges in the past > >> and > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> building they were using for a sound stage had relatively > (about > >>>>>> 30') > >>>>>>>>>>> ceilings. They initially hired me to turn the system off every > >> day > >>>>>> at > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> beginning of work and come back to turn it on at night. > Obviously > >>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>>>> not a solution, which the lead production guy understood and > >> took my > >>>>>>>>>> advice > >>>>>>>>>>> to change the heads to high temps while they were using the > >> building > >>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> return and make them standard temp when filming was done. > >> Numbers? > >>>>>>>>> Don't > >>>>>>>>>>> know. The ones you use must be hot or you wouldn't be asking. > I'd > >>>>>>>> talk > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> the maintenance guys from the school and ask if they've ever > >> had a > >>>>>>>>>>> problem, and if so, how they've solved it. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Fire Protection Services < > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Brad I will > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Brad Casterline < > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> True Jamie and Tony that's why I said I am wrong. I tend to > >>>>>>>>>> over-think > >>>>>>>>>>>> things. Something to consider though is it is not just QR you > >> have > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> worry > >>>>>>>>>>>> about- i would love to do some actual tests but I believe a > 155 > >> SR > >>>>>>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>>>>> activate quicker than a 200 QR, under the same conditions. > >> Chris, > >>>>>>>>> could > >>>>>>>>>>> ask > >>>>>>>>>>>> your instructor about that? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Jamie Seidl < > >> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are rules for heat sources, ie 250w lights, sky lights > >>>>>>>>> ect... > >>>>>>>>>>> Sun > >>>>>>>>>>>> light exposure requires an increase in temperature just as > >>>>>>>> proximity > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>> hear sources. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Tony Palmero < > >>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTF? What does a skylight have to do with it if the light > >>>>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>>>>> to be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> touching the sprinkler to set it off? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a rule in NFPA 13 for this kind of stuff? I just > >> want > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> get > >>>>>>>>>>>> pipe > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the air and do it right. Theoretically speakin'. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Brad Casterline < > >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We do have to use higher temp heads in skylights though > so I > >>>>>>>> am > >>>>>>>>>>> wrong! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't shine it on the sprinklers or the kids too long at a > >>>>>>>> time! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Brad Casterline < > >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the light would have to be almost touching the > >>>>>>>> element > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>> set it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off (conduction). Response Time Index is a measure of the > >> temp > >>>>>>>>> AND > >>>>>>>>>>>> velocity > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the air (convection). The energy of the light itself > >> drops > >>>>>>>>>> like a > >>>>>>>>>>>> rock > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (^4) with distance from the source. (the radiative > >> component). > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course I could be wrong Tony, and often am :). > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Tony Palmero < > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if lights could send enough heat to a > >>>>>>>> element > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>> make > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it go > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off. I run the spotlight at school plays at my kid's > >> school > >>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinkin' about it. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You guys on the forum are great. I don't think any of > >> this > >>>>>>>>>> stuff > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matters > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to me putting pipe in the air, but it is fascinating. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony Palmero > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Brad Casterline < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends on how fast the heated air is moving across > >> it, > >>>>>>>>>> which > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on fire size and ceiling height. But this is true for > >>>>>>>>> standard > >>>>>>>>>>>> response > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also. 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