Matt, Will review section reference when I get back in front of computer. Agree. Two completely different things. Basically, being asked to produce fraudulent document stating we performed a test (drain and alarm) that we didn't. Let's call it what it is. The above test certificate contains a line for this data. If I'm not doing these test, I'm not filling in the lines with data from their quarterly inspection reports, falsely indicating I did. Looking for code reference stating test is even required when working on a system.
Steven Cook TG Gallagher Sprinkler Operations Manager Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Matt Willis <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: You are being asked to mix apples and oranges. See 24.1 of 2010 edition if 13. You are certifying the system to 13. The inspection reports are to 25. Two VERY different things. R/ Matt -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steven Cook Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:00 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Test Certificates I am looking for some guidance pertaining to completing test certificates. Without giving specifics as to building location - here is the summary: We are working in a very large facility with multiple systems, pumps, etc. The property is large enough to have their own in-house facilities / engineering crews that operate the valves, or drain individual floors and restore to service upon completion. As part of final closeout / acceptance of the project, we typically provide a test certificate. The problem I am having is at this property, where we don't operate the valves, the facilities people are not allowing us to do a drain test or verify the time to operate the alarms. Older building, no gauges on the FCVAs. I have tried to just leave these lines blank or even indicated on the test certificate these items weren't tested but the fire department won't accept it (issue CO). The facility is indicating we should just be copying the information over from their (self- performed) quarterly inspection reports. We will not do so WITHOUT clearly stating the info was copied from the inspection report, which the fire department has already indicated is unacceptable. Obviously circumventing the intent of the testing. Tough spot - being told the typical "everyone else in here copies it". I am looking for the language in NFPA 13, 25, etc that I can use to substantiate my position. Common sense explanation isn't getting it done. No explanation as to why we aren't allowed to get these readings. I want the specific code language to have as back-up before I explain to these guys we might be all done working for them. Help is greatly appreciated. Steve Cook Sprinkler Operations Manager TG Gallagher _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
