Steve:
I agree with what you stated you are being asked to do - falsify a
document. I come across that from time to time. I just basically tell
my customers that I don't really care what the others before me did. I
will only do what I believe is correct and that I won't jeopardize my
reputation or integrity for any amount of money or for any customer.
Stick to your guns. If they won't respect your integrity, you may want
to rethink your relationship with them.
Travis Mack, SET
MFP Design, LLC
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On 12/18/2014 4:38 PM, Steven Cook wrote:
Matt,
Will review section reference when I get back in front of computer. Agree.
Two completely different things. Basically, being asked to produce fraudulent
document stating we performed a test (drain and alarm) that we didn't. Let's
call it what it is. The above test certificate contains a line for this data.
If I'm not doing these test, I'm not filling in the lines with data from their
quarterly inspection reports, falsely indicating I did. Looking for code
reference stating test is even required when working on a system.
Steven Cook
TG Gallagher
Sprinkler Operations Manager
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On Dec 18, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Matt Willis
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You are being asked to mix apples and oranges. See 24.1 of 2010 edition if 13.
You are certifying the system to 13. The inspection reports are to 25. Two VERY
different things.
R/
Matt
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:00 PM
To:
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Subject: Test Certificates
I am looking for some guidance pertaining to completing test certificates.
Without giving specifics as to building location - here is the summary: We are
working in a very large facility with multiple systems, pumps, etc. The
property is large enough to have their own in-house facilities / engineering
crews that operate the valves, or drain individual floors and restore to
service upon completion. As part of final closeout / acceptance of the
project, we typically provide a test certificate. The problem I am having is
at this property, where we don't operate the valves, the facilities people are
not allowing us to do a drain test or verify the time to operate the alarms.
Older building, no gauges on the FCVAs. I have tried to just leave these
lines blank or even indicated on the test certificate these items weren't
tested but the fire department won't accept it (issue CO). The facility is
indicating we should just be copying the information over from their (sel
f-
performed) quarterly inspection reports. We will not do so WITHOUT clearly stating the
info was copied from the inspection report, which the fire department has already
indicated is unacceptable. Obviously circumventing the intent of the testing. Tough
spot - being told the typical "everyone else in here copies it".
I am looking for the language in NFPA 13, 25, etc that I can use to
substantiate my position. Common sense explanation isn't getting it done. No
explanation as to why we aren't allowed to get these readings. I want the
specific code language to have as back-up before I explain to these guys we
might be all done working for them.
Help is greatly appreciated.
Steve Cook
Sprinkler Operations Manager
TG Gallagher
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