LOL Horizontal Fire Wall......we inspectors are still scratching our heads how this meets the performance definition of a firewall...collapse on one side, stays in place....then again sprinkler guys are famous for skyhooks. You just can't make this stuff up.
John Drucker - Mobile Email jdruc...@redbanknj.org<mailto:jdruc...@redbanknj.org> Cell/Text 732-904-6823 "rongreenman ." <rongreen...@gmail.com> wrote: Roland, Would you think with all the hoopla about non-combustible floor assemblies being equivalent to horizontal fire walls. and high rises typically not needing vertical fire separation, that a floor would fit a loose definition of a zone? Two floors, even if within the area limits of a single system seem to define two zones. Just thinking, and remember that Leyton was concerned this morning that my meds have lost their efficacy, so I may just be having another flashback to the sixties. On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:00 PM, David Blackwell < david.blackw...@llr.sc.gov> wrote: > On a related note and of interest to this forum should be the change to > next section, IFC 914.3.1.2, in the 2015 edition. The limiting phrase "In > buildings that are more than 420 feet (128m) in building height," has been > added to the 2015 edition published by ICC. Prior to that change, the 2012 > edition applied the separate supply piping requirement per IFC 914.3.1.2 > more broadly to include high-rise buildings below that height. > > Respectfully, > > > David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFPE, CFI I > Chief Engineer > Office of State Fire Marshal > SC Department of Labor, Licensing, & Regulation, 141 Monticello Trail, > Columbia, SC 29203 > Telephone: 803.896.9800 [Office] 803.896.9833 [Direct] > Fax: 803.896.9806 [Office] > Email: david.blackw...@llr.sc.gov > Website: http://www.scfiremarshal.llronline.com/ > > > Please note that you can sign up to receive automatic information on SC > Division of Fire and Life Safety current events, policies, laws and > procedures by visiting our Web site at: > http://www.scfiremarshal.llronline.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland > Huggins > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 2:45 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Floor Control Stations > > The main point is that for standard high rises, the codes and standards > only require a single riser. > > Very Tall High Rises (>420 ft) are a unique beast. The IFC requires these > tall buildings to have 2 risers per zone. Not 100% sure but I don't think > they mean each floor is a zone. The same section says "Each riser shall > supply sprinklers on alternate floors". A lot of these building going up > in parts of the Middle East but not hearing about any here in the USA. Any > one involved with one? > > Roland > > > Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering > American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives > Dallas, TX > http://www.firesprinkler.org <http://www.firesprinkler.org/> > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 2015, at 9:55 AM, David Blackwell <david.blackw...@llr.sc.gov> > wrote: > > > > It is also found in Section 914.3.1.1 of the 2012 IFC, which is > referenced from 2012 IFC Table 903.2.11.6 [Additional Required Fire > Suppression Systems]. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFPE, CFI I Chief Engineer Office of > > State Fire Marshal SC Department of Labor, Licensing, & Regulation, > > 141 Monticello Trail, Columbia, SC 29203 > > Telephone: 803.896.9800 [Office] 803.896.9833 [Direct] > > Fax: 803.896.9806 [Office] > > Email: david.blackw...@llr.sc.gov > > Website: http://www.scfiremarshal.llronline.com/ > > > > > > Please note that you can sign up to receive automatic information on > > SC Division of Fire and Life Safety current events, policies, laws and > > procedures by visiting our Web site at: > > http://www.scfiremarshal.llronline.com/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sprinklerforum > > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > > Fairchild, Jack > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 12:15 PM > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > Subject: RE: Floor Control Stations > > > > IBC 2009/2012 - 403.3.1 Buildings in excess of 420 feet in height. > > > > Jack Fairchild > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sprinklerforum > > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > > Dale Wingard > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 11:45 AM > > To: 'sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org' > > Subject: RE: Floor Control Stations > > > > Jeremy, > > > > I believe that is just a Marriott requirement. > > > > Dale F. Wingard SET > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sprinklerforum > > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > > Jeremy Frazier > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 10:38 AM > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > Subject: Floor Control Stations > > > > Where in NFPA/IBC does it say that if you have 2 standpipes, your > > sprinkler system should connect to both standpipes? I've looked > > through 14 (2010),13 > > (2010) and IBC (2009) and I have not found anything requiring it. Is > this one of those things like electrical rooms with 2 penetrations or is > there and actual code? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeremy Frazier > > > > P:571-931-1004 > > F:571-931-1010 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > er.org _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > er.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > er.org _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > er.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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