Don't pin this on ME!!! But I do disagree with the figure - it contradicts the letter of the code.
#gettingsuckedintothevortex -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of rongreenman . Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Standpipes So this is what I get for believing the illustrations are explanations of text. Woe under us visual learners. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Reed A. Roisum, SET <[email protected]> wrote: > Steve agrees that the IFC commentary figure does not agree with the > code language and should be disregarded. A mezzanine is clearly not a story. > Sorry for the confusion...I thought I was safe when I was just quoting > what I read in the code commentary. > > Reed A. Roisum, SET | Karges-Faulconbridge, Inc. | Senior Fire > Protection Designer | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9903 | mobile: > 701.388.1352 | http://www.kfiengineers.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve > Leyton > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Standpipes > > Reed: > > We use CA amended IFC 2012: Section 905.3.1 has been amended and the > figure does not appear in my CA code. Email it to me off-forum please. > > SL > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Reed A. Roisum, SET > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Standpipes > > I agree Steve and I am breathing a sigh of relief because I know I > have not included standpipes for buildings that have mezzanines above > 30' but where the highest story is below 30'. > > So, what's up with that Figure 905.3.1(1) in the 2012 IFC? Am I > looking at that wrong or should that be fixed? > > Reed A. Roisum, SET | Karges-Faulconbridge, Inc. | Senior Fire > Protection Designer | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9903 | mobile: > 701.388.1352 | http://www.kfiengineers.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Steve Leyton > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Standpipes > > Don't get lost/confused in that. Let's say it's occupied - it's not a > floor. Period. > > Now, if the BO or FO wants to make a ruling or interpretation that it > is, or that they want standpipes, that's a different issue. But it's > not a floor and should not could toward or past 30'-0". A mezzanine is > not accessed through a protected stair and a mezzanine fire can be > fought from within the unit. > > Steve > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Matthew J Willis > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:17 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Standpipes > > Sounds like an attic, not a loft. > It will not be occupied right? > > > R/ > Matt > > > Matthew J. Willis > Project Manager > Rapid Fire Protection Inc. > 1805 Samco Road > Rapid City, SD 57702 > Office-605.348.2342 > Cell-605.391.2733 > Fax:-605.348.0108 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > David Autry > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Standpipes > > Travis, > I can't quote code. We had the same thing and the City required Standpipes. > > David Autry > > Meininger Fire Protection > 2521 West L Street, Suite 5 > Lincoln, NE 68522 > 402.466.2616 > 402.466.2617 fax > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Travis Mack > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:38 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Standpipes > > Does a loft/mezzanine count toward the height to require a standpipe? > > Example: 4th floor is 29'-4" above lowest level of fire department access. > So standpipe would not be required. > > But these units have a loft/mezzanine that will be obviously above the > 30'. The only way to access the loft is from a stair in the unit on > the fourth floor. > > So standpipes yes or no? 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